Sauron Wins...Then What?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by denethorthefirst

That leaves the moral question: the protectors of the children of iluvatar would have to kill a lot of the children of iluvatar in order to save the children of iluvatar ... messy, and quite the moral dilemma. However, that only applies if Sauron can maintain loyalty, discipline and unit cohesion, and I don't think that's very likely. His orcs will scatter and be hunted down and his human forces will probably mass surrender. That will leave only a small devoted core of a few thousand Uruks, Olog-hai and some fanatical black Numenoreans who will feel obligated to fight for religious reasons, but that will be it.

Any compunction about killing Sauron's servants would not be present.
In the First Age War of Wrath, Orcs were nearly exterminated seemingly, and that is not shown in anything but a positive light.

[denethorthefirst]

Yes, the forces of Morgoth during the war of wrath consisted mostly of orcs (and some trolls, dragons, wolves, balrogs) but relatively few humans. No moral problem here, at least from the perspective of Valinor. The moral dilemma of a hypothetical valinorean invasion of a Middle-earth that's ruled by Sauron is that the majority of his armies consists of humans, so the "liberating" elven armies would have to slaughter hundreds of thousands of the people they are supposed to free. That's what Zigur means. But: in my opinion the valinorean army would never have to face that dilemma because most of Saurons human forces would simply mass surrender.

[Ivriniel]

Suaronica - The New Middle Earth



1. Institutions:

Various burn-y things. Ways of making extinct volcanoes alive.
From Fire Crackers (Gandalf's) to burn-y things

Institution of Lots of Smoke
Institution of Lots of Creepy Screams (how to improve on the Nazgul scream).
Institution of Sauronic Prayer (a creepy scream).
Institution of Copulation with Orcs

2. Enslavement

The various chemical, spectral, speci-al, necromantic, physical, and psychological means of maintaining a big over-expanded ego that swells and swells etc -

3. "One Ring" beyond a One Ring to Rule them all and all and all (echo)

Presumably, he was going to need to do something about Valinor, and swell with that lust and greed thing he does (see Tolkien's use of that exact language), so that Valinor as well was a big dust bowl.

But really, not that I have anything against dustbowls. E.g. Nevada Desert.