Ten Year Anniversary Game: Living Thread

[Lalaith]

Now I wonder if this relates to the secret role.

Yes, this was precisely what I was wondering.

Also I am still wondering why the Nog bandwaggon only started after he (Nogs) named Agan and Phantom.

[A Little Green]

Am I right in that the only votes that have been cast this far are these two:

Lottie – morm
Nerwen – Mac

?

I don't want to vote for either of these two, I think morm is innocent and I don't have a clear enough opinion on Mac either way. My top picks would be Agan and Sally, but I'd prefer to hear more from Sally first before making a decision since right now she's in the "just plain confusing" category rather than the "downright evil" one.

[A Little Green]

Looks like it's bedtime for me.

++ Aganzir

In brief - her reaction to Lommy's point against her is still the most suspicious thing I've seen this far. Sally seemed in a way even more off than Agan, but I want her to explain herself before deciding what to think.

That's all from me toDay, I'm sure there was something else I meant to say but if there was I've forgotten it. Leaky brain is leaky. Anyway, choose wisely, kids. Good night.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Am I right in that the only votes that have been cast this far are these two:
Lottie – mormv
Nerwen – Mac

?

I don't want to vote for either of these two, I think morm is innocent and I don't have a clear enough opinion on Mac either way. My top picks would be Agan and Sally, but I'd prefer to hear more from Sally first before making a decision since right now she's in the "just plain confusing" category rather than the "downright evil" one.

Checking in again (still on this cursed phone). I agree with Greenie tha neither Morm nor Mac really strikes me (yet? I don't have much of a read on Mac--which is suspicious, I suppose, but knd of how I feel about everyone here. Morm feels fouler, but that could be a Gifted vibe). Rather thanvote for either of them just yet, I'd still like to see more options, especially off the Nogwaggon. The middle voters strike me as having been in the best voting slots to indicate wolves: trying to hide their votes and--maybe--cover a packmate in danger. And although he's obviously off the lynchable list today, I don't leave Phantom off the list if possible wolves. It'd be quite typical of him to disguise any lycanthropy by giving the village the soundest advice he could think of..besides him, Lottie, Eomer, a d Shasta have all been under the radar. Out of that bandwaggon midsection, we could easily have a lurkerwolf.

[Rikae]

Just popping in to say I'm not particularly happy with the options at the moment. I don't have much time but how do others feel about Firefoot, and about Lottie? These loud, controversial people - Agan, Mac - seem less and less wolfish to me, and I don't see much of a case against Morm.

[Aganzir]

Lottie - morm
Nerwen - Mac
Greenie - Agan
Lalaith - Agan (2)
Lommy - Agan (3)
Legate - Greenie
McCab - Agan (4)
morm - Mac (2)

I'll be around for a little while longer because I need to pack for my weekend outing, but unless something drastic happens, I'll vote for Greenie. I'll be equally happy to vote for Mac to save my skin though because this bandwagon is ridiculous.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'll be around for a little while longer because I need to pack for my weekend outing, but unless something drastic happens, I'll vote for Greenie. I'll be equally happy to vote for Mac to save my skin though because this bandwagon is ridiculous.

Well, you've kind of brought this attention on yourself, which isn't necessarily a bad thing (wanting to attract attention). But you also shouldn't be surprised when that attention gets turned against you.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Well, you've kind of brought this attention on yourself, which isn't necessarily a bad thing (wanting to attract attention). But you also shouldn't be surprised when that attention gets turned against you.

*makes a mental joke to stop joking forever so nobody can misinterpret me* and my god that was an honest typo and probably better left that way.

But if I die I'll at least get to be with the only person who understands me.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

*makes a mental joke to stop joking forever so nobody can misinterpret me* and my god that was an honest typo and probably better left that way.

But if I die I'll at least get to be with the only person who understands me.

Come now, you know how this dance works. You think it's some cheap injustice because you get caught by a slip of the fingers, a lapse of focus of not carefully combing your words. And the thieves at your door say "ah-ha we got you!" and that's all they harp on because that's all they have. But sometimes that is enough. We both understand the feeling of being robbed right under our nose, it makes our blood boil, but in the end what can you do? Tip your cap and silently think, next time we shall have a different dance.

[Mithalwen]

Um sorry I fell asleep... I literally fell asleep.. could you all be slightly more amusing to keep me awake,, just a hint maths and philosophers aint the way to go.....

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Come now, you know how this dance works. You think it's some cheap injustice because you get caught by a slip of the fingers, a lapse of focus of not carefully combing your words. And the thieves at your door say "ah-ha we got you!" and that's all they harp on because that's all they have. But sometimes that is enough. We both understand the feeling of being robbed right under our nose, it makes our blood boil, but in the end what can you do? Tip your cap and silently think, next time we shall have a different dance.

And what a dance it shall be!

Anyway it's godawfully late (although there's something nostalgic about playing werewolf when the sun is rising) so...

++Greenie

Can't really think about this - or stay up - any longer and intuitively I feel worst about her.

I'm sorry about my lack of participation today, it's the combined result of being busy and having got way way way too little sleep these last several days. I promise to be better tomorrow if I'm still here, and if I'm not, well, do consider taking a look at the people who made it happen. *sprays mouth with silver paint*

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Right, I'll probably be around from now until closing if anyone wants a chat.

I've basically just been despairing about game mechanics all day and wondering how in Middle-earth we should be playing this game with so little info. But anyway:

The renewed suspicion of Aganzir today is taking much of my attention; she doesn't seem overly suspicious to me but she's once again the top suspect. Legate's lonely vendetta against Green is very curious and interesting: there's a fair chance that his intentions are pure but it reminds me all too much of a tactic I've pursued, with evil motive, in the past - focus with laserlike precision on a random villager of whom no-one else is taking notice.

So many people here it's hard for things to stand out.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I've just gone back and read his posts and, honestly, Legate's pursuit of Green is stranger than I had thought.

I would not presume to speculate on Green's loyalties at this stage, as I can hardly gauge a thing from her posts; I would not find it strange for anyone to have a hunch that she might be evil. It is the conviction in Legate's posts, however - constantly referring to her as most suspicious - which makes me take notice. Seems like he's acting as if he has a stronger case than he does.

Such behaviour is, of course, suicidal for a seer; but smart daytime survival tactics from a villager.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Am back, am catching up to two pages of material. My post after this will be pretty touch and go--well, at least Legate already analysed the phantom killing possibilities, with roughly the same conclusions as I had (except I had pretty tree diagrams in mine.)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Koala

• Mithalwen - Mum feels too detached and bored to be anyone with a role. Also, is my mother.
• Formendacil - His Evel Knievel-style self-voting was... Casting what could be the last stone against yourself takes... stones. *apologises*
• Rikae - Still feel the same way about the Mistress as I did yesterDAY.
• Boromir88 - Nothing changed since yesterDAY.
• Legate of Amon Lanc - Continuing the 'anyone who thinks like I do is innocent' meme, his analysis of the NIGHT kills tells me he's an innocent trying to make sense of a cruel, senseless, and information-less world.

Shark-infested waters


Swarm of killer beers [sic]

• Aganzir - I have an evil(!) idea drafted called 'Agan as test case' where knowledge of her role and Nogrod would help clear up plenty of confusion regarding yesterDAY's vote. Since she remains fairly suspicious, I'd not mind going through with this plan. I'd most likely vote for her toDAY

Komodo dragon

• Kath

Godzilla

• Nilpaurion Felagund - I said 'evil'. Lynch me.
• Kuruharan

The rest of you I should have a read on, but no hard and fast one. I'll go through the middle-class posters (most of the absentees on the list) to see if I missed anything.

[Aganzir]

Well, I'm back, she said.

I'd rather the Dead checked Nog first. I'm quite positive phantom was innocent (he wouldn't have acted the way he did, and somehow I doubt he'd have killed Rune under the circumstances), and I agree with Boro that checking the lynches is more relevant than checking the night kills.

Then again, the wolves will continue to use their influence to direct attention away from their fellows, dead even more than alive. So when a dead person is revealed to be a predator, I vote for taking a very close look at the people who tried to convince the Dead to scry somebody else instead.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'm wondering about that myself- I'm reading through yesterDay and there are interactions that *look* like "normal" wolf-on-wolfing- morm's with Mac

What was that? Mac is a player who likes his wolf-on-wolfing a lot, but I didn't think his interaction with morm was particularly fishy (pretty much all he said was that he can't leave morm under the radar), and I'm not sure morm would have gone so far as to vote for him (even if it was early in the day) if they were fellows.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

PS. For anyone who wants to have a laugh on the expense of dead people (very crass I know ;-)):

You know I kept skimming the thread in my meeting even after I got too busy to post, and I had to make a real effort to keep from laughing when I saw that quote.

Gah I really need to go to sleep soon and I just don't have the time I need today.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I didn't consider it, I dismissed it. :P

Well Mac, I've also dismissed the chance of your being one, as the seer wouldn't dream of talking about me the way you do.

Boro's reasoning about phantom and Rune's roles in #286 feels good to me.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I still think Agan is most likely a wolf, but I'll grant that there's a possibility that she's innocent. But why then was she so upset about Lommy's suspicion? It just makes more sense for a wolf who messed up.

Because, sleep-deprived as I was in the wee hours after a very long day, I thought her main reason to suspect me was not the angle of my joke but the fact that I chose to make it in the first place (this theory was supported in my mind by her strong reaction to it earlier). I felt she was accusing me of

1. being so dumb and/or jumpy I didn't recognise a joke, and
2. making a really lousy slip which - IMO - she ought to have known I wouldn't do.

Which I felt insulted my intelligence, especially as I don't slip when I'm a wolf (as you'll eventually find out ) - and even if I did, I'd never trip on something so elementary. I felt Lommy was calling me stupid and being very smug and gleeful about it, and if y'all want to know, I was actually snarling at the screen.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

In the narration.

I thought of this. "The way is shut.
It was made by those who are Dead.
And the Dead keep it.
The way is shut."

Probably just me being fanciful.

Perhaps the special role can resurrect people!

Okay I'm going to put together some sort of a list.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Then again, the wolves will continue to use their influence to direct attention away from their fellows, dead even more than alive. So when a dead person is revealed to be a predator, I vote for taking a very close look at the people who tried to convince the Dead to scry somebody else instead.

Sure, that's reasonable opinion.

And also interesting find, Lalaith, about the possible hint - I think also it might be about the unknown role (although I think we are left to speculate for now, hopefully perhaps more will follow?). Anyway, shows how for instance, I assume more people, like me, did not bother to read the narration very deeply...

The promised list coming soon.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

GREEN ZONE
Nerwen - no change from yesterDay, reasonable, no trouble and all
Lommy - more or less likewise
Mith - certainly no Wolfy vibes, seems like her innocent self

YELLOW ZONE
Macalaure - see the end of my post above, also his vote yesterDay was of the type easily cast by a Wolf (of course if we knew the roles of the lynchees, it would be easier to make more conclusions based on this, e.g. if that was a save attempt or whatever. But it was a bandwagon in any case and Mac was in the thick of it.)
Rikae - kind of a similar case, has certainly commited and reasonable posts; it is true she could totally be following some very well-thought sneaky hidden agenda with them. But I do not have enough that would make me cast a vote for her so far.
Lalaith - toDay pretty decent, and the point about the possible mention of a hidden role was good; of course a Wolf could try to ask info from the village as well, but still, makes me think better of her
Morm - there was the last post, but otherwise seems fairly good and reasonable and all
McCaber - mostly it's about the vote: he is the same case as Mac, a vote placement that would be typical for a Wolf on a wagon.
Nilp - I still have the "fishy-fishy" feel from his posts, but it really isn't anything concrete.
Sally - I don't find her suspicious, the stuff morm also pointed out was weird, but not necessarily suspicious in my opinion.
shasta - at times there's been a bit of "meh", but generally not Wolfy-looking.
Form - I have been convinced by the idea that a Wolf wouldn't self-vote, although I am kind of beginning to waver, also with the possibilities that the following wagons were attempt to save him. I am still not very sure I believe that would be the way for the Wolves to behave, though. In any case, I need to Form a better opinion on him (ho, ho, ho).
Eomer - I need to Eomer a better opinion on him (*embarassed cough*). There is just quite little for me to go with.

ORANGE ZONE
Boro - I don't know. He is behaving very... unconspicuously in this game? A bit too noncommital, which worries me.
Firefoot - see also my post above. Could just as well be in the yellow zone though, it is more a matter of distinction, I think it would be nice to reread the posts etc to get better opinion, but that's about it.
Loslote - I didn't like the sorta defensive attitude adopted in her reaction to morm's reaction to sally.
Aganzir - I am wary of her, but to be honest not to any large extent. It is also partly the traditional anti-Aganzir precaution, because every time I give her a pass, then she is guilty. But just for the record, if one of the packs has her and Greenie, then shame on you, Kuru, because that's like the oldest pack in the book. (If it was her and Lommy yesterDay doing a wolf-on-wolf show, though, then that's at least new trick in the book.)

RED ZONE
Curiously enough it seems the only file in this zone seems to be A Little Green, as I stated above: the very happy, nice attitude, combined with noncommital posts which at the same time include subtle nudges a la "the exchange between sally and morm is suspicious, just so that you know, village, but I didn't say anything".

GREY ZONE aka effective no-shows
Gwath
Kath
(I will become a poet.)

EDIT: x-ed since my last

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

About the secret role. My first thought was that the itching may refer to a cursed villager. But now that people mention the Paths of the Dead, maybe it is another person who can go to the dead thread (under certain circumstances?) and maybe bring someone back with him?

That would be really nice. Because at least as far as I can tell, the Dead thread is a very nice feature, but not really of much help to us here, and the way to get any info about roles in this game gets close to zero.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Ooooh! Take heed, folks, my dear fellow wolf Macalaure is trying to bus me!

Why can I totally imagine this "joke" not really being a joke at all. Honestly!

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Oh, one more thing before I go. I'm still chewing over that narration... the 'itch' mentioned - could it be linked to Pippin and the palantir? Remember Gandalf saying to him "If you feel an itch in your palms again, tell me of it!"
Kuru spoke of the role having vulnerabilities, and indeed, looking into the palantir was dangerous...
Anyway, I'm a fine one for going on about others chasing red herrings...I think I need to stop this and go to bed....

So, a Seer who... dies upon use? Or somesuch? (Actually, that would be pretty thematic.) Well, like I said, hopefully the narrations might keep giving us more?

Anyway... probably going to vote and go to sleep now, too. At least should.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

++Greenie

For that matter, I find it interesting literally nobody shares this suspicion. Does it even cross your mind, folks? Granted, we are a big village (still) and there is a lot to choose from, of course, and many people seem to be suspicious a lot of certain people, but Greenie figures there very seldom, or in practically not at all.

And I really think toMorrow we could employ some scheme of trying to communicate between the Dead thread and our thread via the extra vote or whatever. Because at least so far it seems to me, it is really difficult to get any certainities here. I am really beginning to consider that the Wolves did get rid of the phantom because however overinflated his scheme was, it might have helped the village to get some advantage.

Anyway, good Night.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

For that matter, I find it interesting literally nobody shares this suspicion.

I kind of do, for similar reasons as you (as I'm writing on my miserable failure of a list that just can't finish itself).

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

For that matter, I find it interesting literally nobody shares this suspicion. Does it even cross your mind, folks? Granted, we are a big village (still) and there is a lot to choose from, of course, and many people seem to be suspicious a lot of certain people, but Greenie figures there very seldom, or in practically not at all.

I said something about it, I think, but between her and Agan I voted for the one I felt was worse. Still, having two wolfpacks around means that the interaction could be hostile on both sides.

I don't have a lot of time toDay, and things have been far too hectic on my end, but I believe I have enough to go on to vote again.

[Firefoot]

I apologize if I seem wishy-washy; the real problem is that I just don't have enough time to dig through the massive number of posts in this thread to make good analyses, but I don't want to be absent either, so I've mostly just been posting impressions. I have some time tonight to spend on it - we'll see how useful it is, though. My WW muscles are rusty and as I look for patterns in posts I just feel lost without any concrete knowledge of the identities of the dead...

I'm still not convinced of Agan's guilt, though the last minute rush to save her (?) and lynch Nog does bother me (this is more suspicious to me than anything Agan herself has done).

[mormegil]

++Mac

I have some RL projects that need completing and then getting kids to bed and all. I may be back before the deadline but I'd like to make sure to get a vote in. Mac still doesn't sit right with me though he attempted to. He seems off. I'm still suspicious of Sally and Agan but more so of Mac. There are others on the list that are working their way up a bit i.e. Shasta and others that are going down i.e. Legate.

[Macalaure]

I'm both carefree and really defensive.

I can't win.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Well Mac, I've also dismissed the chance of your being one, as the seer wouldn't dream of talking about me the way you do.

If I was the seer, I wouldn't be almost sure that you're a wolf.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

making a really lousy slip which - IMO - she ought to have known I wouldn't do.

Hey, it happens to the very best of them.

*ahem*

*cough*




About the secret role. My first thought was that the itching may refer to a cursed villager. But now that people mention the Paths of the Dead, maybe it is another person who can go to the dead thread (under certain circumstances?) and maybe bring someone back with him?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

If I was the seer, I wouldn't be almost sure that you're a wolf.

Ooooh! Take heed, folks, my dear fellow wolf Macalaure is trying to bus me!

Hey, it happens to the very best of them.

Not to me though. I am beauty, I am grace, I will rip apart your face.

[satansaloser2005]

*looks at number of new posts, sobs bitterly*

I'm home, but I need to find the reset button on my brain. I'll be back in a bit.