Ten Year Anniversary Game: Living Thread

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Confusing stuff!

So: the Hunter. In this game, whoever is targeted by the Hunter dies - as I read the rules. So (presuming Agan was indeed the Hunter, as the narration suggests) we know nothing about Green's role?

The narration mentions a bear-trap. Were-Bear? Is this relevant? But how could a Bear kill mix from day to night like that?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The Rikae kill doesn't surprise me at all - much like the phantom, she seemed like a level-headed village leader, and, given that there are two wolf packs, it's no wonder that they've both been killed off, no matter their true identities.

The Legate kill doesn't surprise me either - I suspect he was a villain and that his wolvish adversaries thought the same.

The Mac kill is most strange. There was a lot of heat on him. Perhaps he got too near the bone?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Question about the Lovers (which may well have been asked already earlier in the thread before I had come to grips with the rules, but oh well):

Say we choose to lynch a revealed Lover. Then they can go get info from the Dead Thread - info on one dead player from yesterday, today's, as well as tomorrow's, then return to us the day after with what they know.

But is that dependent on the other Lover remaining alive all that time? What if the other Lover dies the next night? Is it then impossible for the first Lover to come back to the land of the living? Might be a risky plan.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Question about the Lovers (which may well have been asked already earlier in the thread before I had come to grips with the rules, but oh well):

Say we choose to lynch a revealed Lover. Then they can go get info from the Dead Thread - info on one dead player from yesterday, today's, as well as tomorrow's, then return to us the day after with what they know.

But is that dependent on the other Lover remaining alive all that time? What if the other Lover dies the next night? Is it then impossible for the first Lover to come back to the land of the living? Might be a risky plan.

It is an interesting thought though. If they come back regardless of the outcome of their other lover it would likely be worth it. It does take away the potential for a wolf kill but has the potential to add some substantial information which we are sorely lacking at this point.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The Lovers are on the village's side so we should absolutely do it if it was a guarantee; problem is, it's not. There could be another four wolf kills while the Lover is collecting info from the Dead, and a fair chance that the other Lover will not still be among the living (he or she might already be gone, of course).

I'm not sure if this is the kind of rule clarification that we may ask for, though.

[Firefoot]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

But is that dependent on the other Lover remaining alive all that time? What if the other Lover dies the next night? Is it then impossible for the first Lover to come back to the land of the living? Might be a risky plan.

Actually, I think this is just answered in the rules:

if one of them dies, and if the other lover remains alive in the Living Thread, the dead lover will spend one DAY cycle among the dead and then returns to the Living Thread for one DAY.

Italics mine.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

That's not conclusive, though, because the clause about the other Lover remaining alive is unclear - remains alive until when? I would guess it means that s/he must remain alive until the moment the first Lover can return to the Living; but it might also mean that the lynched Lover's journey between worlds can take place on the condition that the other Lover is alive when the lynching takes place - regardless of what happens afterwards.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

That's not conclusive, though, because the clause about the other Lover remaining alive is unclear - remains alive until when? I would guess it means that s/he must remain alive until the moment the first Lover can return to the Living; but it might also mean that the lynched Lover's journey between worlds can take place on the condition that the other Lover is alive when the lynching takes place - regardless of what happens afterwards.

Oi. This time we might need those odds-crunchers.

If the Ranger is still alive and able to protect the other Lover to ensure one can return than it might be worth it. Would it be worth it right now though, is the other question? I mean the Dead would only know of one person's role at the moment.

And I think morm is on the right track with the one piece of information we do have...Agan was the Hunter, so let's turn the focus on her voters (that's really the only conclusion you can draw from the narration...I have a hard time believing Kuru would be that cruel to mislead us with the talk of traps and arrows).

I'll go and look at 3 night deaths first. See if there's anything there. You know what's kind of amusing (and sad at the same time). the phantom still has the most posts in this thread. Rikae is the next closest, but she's dead. I'm next. Doubtful, I'll surpass him tonight, since my vacation time is over and I'll be gone for much of tomorrow. Hopefully, I can be ambitious to analyze all that I want to tonight.

[McCaber]

So our options on that front are: risk a Lover revealing now when the village is as big as it's going to get for the best odds of the wolves missing the partner, hold off and see if the dead thread can get more information before revealing, or with 8 dead there's a decent chance that one of the pair is already dead and waiting to return.

In a setup like that I should think that the Lovers would try to stay as nonconnected as possible to keep the wolves from drawing potential connections between them, but also leaves us with the difficult task of trying to determine who to preserve to get that information back to us.

[Firefoot]

I'm not sure how I feel about the Lover sacrifice... so there are 15 of us now, with somewhere between 2 and 6 wolves still alive (probably - what happens if there is one wolf left in pack A and at Night wolf pack B kills that wolf? Do both packs get a kill still? I would guess so). If we lynched a Lover toDay, I think we have to count on at least 5 kills before that Lover comes back (two at Night, one the Day the Lover is away, and two the next Night). Worst case scenario, this actually results in a village loss (3 innocents and all 6 wolves still alive) before the Lover comes back. On the other hand, the amount of information that could be gained this way is potentially very high.

If we're going this direction though, I think the Ranger would be a far better choice than the Lover - no ties to point to another innocent that would be a target of the wolves, and no risk that the partner is killed, foiling the whole plan and wasting a lynch toDay. Plus, the Ranger becomes super-powered when s/he comes back.

I'd also really like to know about the Seer - if they're still alive, they've got 6 dreams this point - that could be useful at this point (completely game changing, actually). Depends on who the subjects of the dreams have been though, I suppose, so I suppose the Seer knows best when it's best to reveal his/herself. On the other hand, if the Seer is dead, that information would be readily available in the dead thread (the Seer no longer having reason to hide, since they can't die again), strengthening the argument for lynching the Ranger.

Maybe the Ranger or one of the Lovers is already dead though, and will come back to us tomorrow... we did just lose an awful lot of people.

I don't know. It's the sort of thing where I can't believe we're really discussing this, but we really need some solid information soon.

Speaking of the Ranger, it's possible there was supposed to be a third kill on Night 2 but the Ranger was successful.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

On the one hand, I'm very hopeful that we're three or so wolves down by now.

On the other, I bet most of the Seer's dreams are spent on dead people.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

If we're going this direction though, I think the Ranger would be a far better choice than the Lover - no ties to point to another innocent that would be a target of the wolves, and no risk that the partner is killed, foiling the whole plan and wasting a lynch toDay. Plus, the Ranger becomes super-powered when s/he comes back.

I'd also really like to know about the Seer - if they're still alive, they've got 6 dreams this point - that could be useful at this point (completely game changing, actually). Depends on who the subjects of the dreams have been though, I suppose, so I suppose the Seer knows best when it's best to reveal his/herself. On the other hand, if the Seer is dead, that information would be readily available in the dead thread (the Seer no longer having reason to hide, since they can't die again), strengthening the argument for lynching the Ranger.

But the Ranger does not become "super-powered". He (or she) merely gets an extra protection to compensate for being exposed:

Ranger - Like the lovers, if killed the Ranger will spend one DAY cycle in the Dead Thread and then return to the Living Thread the next DAY. The Ranger has one protection initially. If the Ranger dies and is resurrected, the Ranger then has two protections. The Ranger can self-protect but cannot protect a person twice in a row. The Ranger cannot protect someone from being lynched, nor can the Ranger protect someone from a Hunter kill.

Edit:x'd since our mod.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So, no bonus votes were given out yesterDAY, huh?

And any plan of co-ordinating the information exchange with the Dead thread? Assuming they believe Agan is the Hunter, then there are only 4 possible scry targets:

Nogrod
the phantom
A Little Green
Rune Son of Bjarne

I believe there's a small chance of Rune getting scried (unless something really interesting happened), but let's count him in just to be safe.

There are two possible results per person, so unless a higher mathematical power contradicts me, we need eight different ways for them to convey any of the possible data points they have.

(At some point we will have less extra-vote getters than possibilities, not to mention the chance of a Seer being Dead and doing revealing things in the thread, but for the moment we have enough for them to convey their information as completely as possible. We can trim down this method in future DAYs.)

(And I do hope the Lovers and the Ranger are still alive.)

[Firefoot]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

And any plan of co-ordinating the information exchange with the Dead thread? Assuming they believe Agan is the Hunter, then there are only 4 possible scry targets:

Nogrod
the phantom
A Little Green
Rune Son of Bjarne

I believe there's a small chance of Rune getting scried (unless something really interesting happened), but let's count him in just to be safe.

There are two possible results per person, so unless a higher mathematical power contradicts me, we need eight different ways for them to convey any of the possible data points they have.

So you're suggesting something along the lines of, "if Nogrod is innocent, double x person's vote, if he's not, double y person's vote, etc."? This seems reasonable to me, in that it would be a way to get a very clear message across, and would limit the discussion tomorrow about what they were trying to imply. On the other hand, it does limit them. There's a reasonable chance that the seer is dead (40% ish) - what if they'd rather send a message about someone who's still alive? Then again, as soon as they give us a known innocent, I feel like they become a wolf target - then again, what if both packs then attack the same person? What if neither does, hoping the other will? Or the Ranger protects that person? So it wouldn't be a totally bad thing, I guess. I can go along with either strategy - giving the Dead clear guidelines, or letting them give information as they want to.

[McCaber]

Ignore my previous post, word of Mod says I was wrong.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

So you're suggesting something along the lines of, "if Nogrod is innocent, double x person's vote, if he's not, double y person's vote, etc."? This seems reasonable to me, in that it would be a way to get a very clear message across, and would limit the discussion tomorrow about what they were trying to imply. On the other hand, it does limit them. There's a reasonable chance that the seer is dead (40% ish) - what if they'd rather send a message about someone who's still alive? Then again, as soon as they give us a known innocent, I feel like they become a wolf target - then again, what if both packs then attack the same person? What if neither does, hoping the other will? Or the Ranger protects that person? So it wouldn't be a totally bad thing, I guess. I can go along with either strategy - giving the Dead clear guidelines, or letting them give information as they want to.

The easiest way for the dead to send a message would be that if Nogrod was guilty, double someone who voted for him. If was innocent, double someone who voted against him. Which is basically what phantom's plan was way back in Day 1.

[Firefoot]

Originally Posted by McCaber

Ignore my previous post, wo
The easiest way for the dead to send a message would be that if Nogrod was guilty, double someone who voted for him. If was innocent, double someone who voted against him. Which is basically what phantom's plan was way back in Day 1.

But not all of the dead who might have been scried have received votes - then they would have no fixed way to tell us about them. No one voted for phantom or Rune.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

the phantom and Rikae are in the Dead thread. I'm sure they'd go along with it. (I hope.)

As for the possible Seer death, I did take that into account, but the possibilities involved with that is clearly beyond the binary way of transferring information that they have right now. We'll just have to *gulp* trust the resurrecting roles for those (assuming they aren't Dead yet and are already rowing back to the Living.)

Now, do we set an artificial deadline (hehe) for our voting, to allow us to co-ordinate this in such a way that won't interfere with the result? The Europe-based people would probably prefer that (?), and the deadline doesn't matter for me.

Thoughts, villagers?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

the phantom and Rikae are in the Dead thread. I'm sure they'd go along with it. (I hope.)

As for the possible Seer death, I did take that into account, but the possibilities involved with that is clearly beyond the binary way of transferring information that they have right now. We'll just have to *gulp* trust the resurrecting roles for those (assuming they aren't Dead yet and are already rowing back to the Living.)

Now, do we set an artificial deadline (hehe) for our voting, to allow us to co-ordinate this in such a way that won't interfere with the result? The Europe-based people would probably prefer that (?), and the deadline doesn't matter for me.

Thoughts, villagers?

How about two hours before the real DL? Would that give them enough time? Most of them *are* Europeans, though…

EDIT:x’d with McCaber.