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Shade of Carn Dûm
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I think the Elven Rings were made to arrest time, to bring Aman to Middle-earth as was Sauron's pitch to the Elves. In the First Age the Elves generally left Aman for empire in Middle-earth, to establish themselves there and be the rulers. The cessation of the effects of time may have been more important to those who had lived in the Undying Lands which probably accounts for the Rings coming from that people, the Noldor.
I would say the One ruled the others because of its exceeding power and due to the design taught by Sauron to them. I think this common design was the means by which Sauron could link his Ring to the others. Otherwise it'd have been a seperate type of Ring with the same powers, but the bearer could not extend his will from the One to the others. Quote:
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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I think the "thing of surpassing potency" description of the Ring is not mutually exclusive with the common "built-in vulnerability" theory which argues that Sauron's contribution to the Ring-lore which made the Three involved making them in a way that would be vulnerable.
It may have worked like this: 1. The built-in vulnerability aspect allowed the One to influence or control the Three and their bearers. 2. The "surpassing potency" of the One allowed the One to control the works wrought with the Three. This, however, does not seem consistent with the notion that Sauron would not have needed the One to overthrow the defences of Lórien had he come there in person.
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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Tolkien mentioned in a letter that even if he was not wearing the Ring, Sauron was in rapport with its power. He would not be diminished.
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Regarding the Silmarils, I think they were "powered" by the light of the two Trees. I do not have access to my books, but I seem to recall that in HoME, it is stated that Elvish "magic" is a function of their own nature and inherent power, so the act of creation requires that some of the maker's essence be poured into the item created. But their light had an outside source.
Regarding the Three Rings, and presumably the Seven and the Nine, some portion of their makers' essence would have been instilled into their creations. Some of Sauron's power would have been placed in the Seven and the Nine as he assisted in their creation. Some of the power of Celebrimbor and his smiths would have been placed in the Three. But the power of the Three to act may have been drawn from other sources. Pitchwife discusses their nature above and their links to the elements, air, water and fire. Their power may come from those elements to some extent. The role of Elves in Middle Earth was, in part to heal the damage caused by Morgoth and do what they could to fix Arda Marred. They are described as being far more linked to nature and their surroundings than Men. This may have been part of the nature and purpose of the Three. Healing, preservation and staying the effects of time on their wearers and their people. Has anyone ever considered the nature and intricacy of Sauron's plot? He spent decades or centuries instructing the Elves of Hollin and assisting them in the making of the Great Rings, with the intent to create the One in order to dominate the bearers of the various Rings and their people.
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The plot itself was quite intricate, but for the greater part of its intent, it was a failure. Only Man succumbed to the lure of the Rings. It failed against the Elves utterly, and the success against the dwarves was so limited that Sauron ended up taking back the ones not eaten up by dragons.
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