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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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What Círdan said of Narya, by this logic, could probably be applied to all of them; it may have simply been that Narya was the one Círdan was discussing at the time. Interestingly, Círdan's claim that Narya was "idle" in his care suggests that Lindon was not under the same "staying" effect as Rivendell or Lórien.
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Gruesome Spectre
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Agreed. Mithlond predated the creation of the Three, and had not been established with any parallel to Rivendell or Lórien. Its role had nothing to do with "preservation", and Círdan seemingly could find no use for Narya there.
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Loremaster of Annúminas
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Or, perhaps, as a Sinda Cirdan wasn't as prone as the Noldor to play with the laws of Arda and Time.
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Loremaster of Annúminas
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It could also perhaps be said that the core of Galdriel's power in Lorien flows from the Silverlode or the Naith where Silverlode and Anduin come together; and her Mirror is a basin of water. The connection of Elrond and Imladris to Vilya is obscure, but there is his name ("Starry vault"), and the fact that Rivendall above its deep gorge is bounded only by the heavens (although of course the Bruinen seems to be at least as important)
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Shade of Carn Dűm
Join Date: Feb 2014
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Hello there posters and readers.
![]() @Pitchwife hail Pitwife. May the drommond's granite masts and sails bear thee far from home and safely to return. Thank you for the interesting materials. Sauron's will for domination was somehow echoed in the Ringspell, with much of his native power poured into the Ring. Some tie of sentience, or presence of Sauron's evil will was permanently present in the Ring, and certainly, the Ring had great power to influence, corrupt and enslave. The Ring's measure in that regard needed to exceed that of the [is it combined power] of each Elf and her/his Elven wielders? Was it the Fea or the Lorewise-ness of individual Elves that was part of the base 'threshold' level Sauron needed to exceed? And did each Ring add to that measure of critical difference. The Elves took off their Rings when the echoes of the Ringspell were discerned, and Sauron was able to -- was it perceive only? the minds of the wielders of the Three when they wore their Rings. @Angisil - great to see you. interesting point about non-linear depletions. Shadowfax. It's interesting that The Silmarils did not deplete Feanor, even though they were assays he could not replicate again in a second creation. I wonder, then does this mean that Celebrimbor's assays were his equivalent to one-off feats of mastery? Celebrimbor also made the headache-jewel, the Elessar. Like the Three, (in one version of the Gem) it made things green and young in Beleriand where it was stored. @Wiliam Hey there - interesting materials. ![]() @Zigur - you raise an interesting point about what it was that Cirdan mentioned to Gandalf. What was Idle about its placement in Mithlond? Presumably use of a Ring 'announces' location or presence of the wielder. I suspect that the Three also acted in synergy. That is Preservation as each wielder acted in concert in some unified capacity. @Inziladun - I wonder why the Ring of Fire went to a water harbour. It's such a contrast isn't it. @Belegorn - Hello there. I think you might be onto something. I have been withholding ideas about power and the 'essence of creation' and the Rings somehow as conduits of Ea that imbues materialism, and spiritualism. Back Later ![]()
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Wight of the Old Forest
Join Date: Dec 2008
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Zil and Zig ( ![]() Anyway, here's what I thought back in 2009: Quote:
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Shade of Carn Dűm
Join Date: Jul 2012
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I think the Elven Rings were made to arrest time, to bring Aman to Middle-earth as was Sauron's pitch to the Elves. In the First Age the Elves generally left Aman for empire in Middle-earth, to establish themselves there and be the rulers. The cessation of the effects of time may have been more important to those who had lived in the Undying Lands which probably accounts for the Rings coming from that people, the Noldor.
I would say the One ruled the others because of its exceeding power and due to the design taught by Sauron to them. I think this common design was the means by which Sauron could link his Ring to the others. Otherwise it'd have been a seperate type of Ring with the same powers, but the bearer could not extend his will from the One to the others. Quote:
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