Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I recall getting good vibes from reading what Legate had to say last night, in terms of me agreeing with him. Not sure about the framing aspect, I probably need context for that.

"Last night"? Am I missing something?

I see Urwen has jumped in out of nowhere to vote for G55. Would a wolf really be so careless?

x/d with last four

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

(Kath, re Urwen: she and G55 had a falling out in the Password game lately, so that might be why. The Morleg/Maeglin/Maeglin thing is just how Urwen talks. Not to say she can't be leaning into it, though.)

Ok. Highly unsound, and if that truly was the only reason for the vote, I disapprove.

[Kath]

I'm struggling, because even though I feel like I talked myself out of it in the previous post, I am still suspicious of G55.

I didn't like early on that she was happy to slide all the 'responsibility' for the fake votes thing over to Legate. You can say he took a joking remark beyond her original intention but as I noted before it was actually her who brought it back up again.

And having backed away, the affray with Rikae is a great way to get involved in something without actually really having anything to say. It's all about what did that word really mean rather than much else. So it seems like she's been involved in a lot but hasn't really.

But what I'm REALLY struggling with is that I'm now following Urwen's vote, which I'm strongly irritated by on principle.

However, I have to vote now as I'm needed elsewhere, so for the reasons above:

++G55

I've crossed with everything since post 221 here.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm jerking the reins here a bit.

++Pitchwife

[Kitanna]

Probably not going to get to Rikae before I need to vote, so I'm going to look at G55 since I already suspected her.

Originally Posted by G55

Aaaaand cue discussion about a no-vote Day 1!

You're a monster for suggesting it. :P

Originally Posted by G55

Though this made me think: why didn't the No Lynch debate ever bring up fake votes? Like each person says who they would vote for, but not actually vote. So you have a tally, but no lynch.

Here's the start of the fake vote exchange.
And for the sake of getting these two thoguhts in one place, here's Legate's response.

Originally Posted by Legate

Hey, THAT is actually a pretty good idea. Because seriously. It would kinda force the Wolves' hands (or tongues). I like that. I mean people can of course flip-flop later, but it isn't easy. I like it. I wholeheartedly second it. Let's do this!

And here's Pitch putting it on Legate

Originally Posted by Pitch

OK, Legate, let me ask you: What exactly do we have to gain from the kind of fake vote you're suggesting?
If it is just that, a fake vote with no real lynch as per G55, we've effectively wasted a day, nobody has to fear the consequences of their vote because without a lynch, we won't know whether they voted for an innoent or a wolf, and the wolves can go wolf-on-wolf to their hearts' content witrh no danger to any of them.
If it's just that people announce beforehand whom they are planning to vote, and the vote takes place later, and we compare what people said before to how they actually voted, how is this different from what we usually do?
This strikes me as a pseudo-useful suggestion/discussion. *ping*

In her next post G55 distances herself from her own idea.

Originally Posted by G55

Ok, cobbler much? Even I don't like my idea with so much enthusiasm. I was mainly kinda curious if that tack has ever been tried - and why not, cause it's marginally less bad than the No Votes At All camp.

In reading these all back to back without focusing much on other posts, I do find the exchange more bantering initiallty then I did at first. G55 throws an idea out without much gusto. Legate's response reads more excited player latching onto a new idea. Pitch looks to be the one taking it more seriously than the other two. That is until G55 puts distance between herself and the idea.
In fact all of her posts, that I took to be banter, "day 1 no lynch," she comes quick to the defense of. "Come on, guys, I wasn't advocating that." She's trying to get as far away as possible.
Ugh, I'm out of time to do this.
Based on my skimming and intial reactions, my gut says G55 or Pitch. However, I didn't get enough of their later posts to feel super comfortable, not when Rikae had a lot of back and forth with G55. But I need to vote, so
++Pitchwife
Of the three original posters to the fake vote idea, Pitch seemed to be laying bait for the other two. He didn't originate the idea, but he did seem to want to trap Legate into looking guilty. And then his vote for Brinn when she was gaining a lot of trajection and already received one vote.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I would much rather vote for G55 or Pitch over Brinn. Let's try not to split the vote between them, though - I suspect they are both wolves, so I don't especially mind which one gets lynched, as I think either one will tell us a lot about the other.

Yeah; this is why I went with 'if necessary', and why I've held my vote longer than I intended. A wolf/wolf split vote lynching an innocent would be a nightmare!

Originally Posted by Rikae

This Brinn-wagon everyone's talking about is two votes at this point, mine and Pitch's.

Possible terminology difference? I originally used 'Brinn-wagon' to mean the sudden suspicion of her, which came from a lot more people. I've since switched to meaning something like 'the possibly impending lynch because of the above'. I know the actual votes cast are low, don't worry.

The tally right now is is 4 Brinn, 3 Pitch, 5 G55. To avoid Brinn being last-minute wagonned, my best shot is to go:

++GALADRIEL55

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

The tally right now is is 4 Brinn, 3 Pitch, 5 G55. To avoid Brinn being last-minute wagonned, my best shot is to go:

I have a very, very urgent feeling that if I have ever seen a Wolf saving a fellow Wolf from a bandwagon, this might just be it. (Would it be so blatant? But in this big village, I guess every Day counts!)

[Eönwë]

So... it looks like despite that scare at the end there (and as I was reading through hours later when I finally had time, I did panic a bit when reading G55's reveal), the lynch could've gone worse.

First, about my vote: there's not much more to say other than that I was on very limited time and had only managed to catch up to post #212, which was the most recent post when I arrived (as mentioned in my post). I did do a refresh just to see votes before making my final choice, but at that point we were still on page 6 and no-one had more than 2 votes so it was all still open (and I really didn't have time to look to see if I'd x-posted or not).

[Eönwë]

Now, to business:

One thing I'm wondering about is the very very late timing of the G55 reveal. The options, at increasing levels of bluff, seem to be:

1. She was trying to get an innocent Brinn killed.
2. She wanted us to believe (1), but actually thought Brinn was an Infector and knew it was too late.
3. She wanted us to believe (2), but actually thought that Brinn was innocent and wants us to suspect her by assuming (2) is true.

Given that she's the Cobbler whose aim to sow confusion and discord, unless anyone has any specific thoughts, I'm not sure how much it's worth thinking about this (and potentially wasting time doing what she wants, which is getting confused about her actions) any further, but I just wanted to put this out there. Also important to note that she did not know any more than us, so her suspicions (or lack thereof) only hold slightly more weight than others because we know that she doesn't know any more than the rest of us.

[Inziladun]

++G55

There's no one else I would want at this point, and it could say a lot about Legate, Pitch, and Rikae.

x/d with Kit

[Loslote]

++Galadriel55

I think this lynch gives us the most information going forward, and I would be very surprised if she turns out to be innocent.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

"Last night"? Am I missing something?

I see Urwen has jumped in out of nowhere to vote for G55. Would a wolf really be so careless?

x/d with last four

It is currently 3:24 PM for me - I played a little bit "last night", 10 or 11 pm or so.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

In her post about Legate she didn't mention anyone else by name in regards to the fake vote. Here she says still wary of G55 and Pitch which unless I missed something, she hadn't actually mentioned them at all prior. Not long after this Rikae says she would likely vote for Brinn if DL was right then.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

This looks suspicious to me. She never once mentioned Inzil and now he's her top suspect. But this all reads too clumsy for Brinn, to obviously trying to look guilty, almost. I'd say she's more likely a cobbler than a wolf at this point in the postings.

Clearly you did miss something because I mentioned in my post last night that I was wary of Inzil, G55, Pitchwife.
Inzil is on the list because it feels like he's trying to be helpful without providing a lot of substance. After a night's rest and thinking it over, I felt better about G55's posts, especially after the exchange with Rikae. Still suspicious of Pitchwife, but I'm also aware if innocent, he could make good cannon fodder, hence my suspicion of you.

X-Posting with a bunch of posts I'm sure..

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

"Last night"? Am I missing something?

On second thought, maybe Shasta meant "last night" while reading the thread. That jumped out at me, though.

x/d with Shasta and Lottie