Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, discussion thread

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Sally, I'm so sorry. But the hunter really IS more fun when she gets to kill somebody, whatever the consequences.

It is, but it was so earlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! I was terrified I was going to take our last gifted with me, which is why I switched to Mac at the last moment, because I knew he was either a wolf or an ordo, and either way I preferred him to certain uncertainty. (Sorry again, Mac! There was a lot of panicked screaming over here that afternoon, I assure you.)

If it helps, I was convinced you were evil almost until the end.


On to cheers then. To the goodies first!

~

Massive kudos to Brinn for a role spectacularly played! Three cheers to the only gifted who managed to do her job and not get herself killed! Ahem.

I pegged you as the seer from close to the start and deliberately ignored you so I didn't get you killed with my fat mouth. Once I made it to the Dead Thread, the idea of us constantly voting for you (almost unanimously one Day!) was too good to pass up, and I knew it would cause enough chaos for your elegant self to hide behind.

~

Also kudos to Shasta for his valiant snackrifice, and for putting on such an entertaining show! Not so much for voting me though - my feathers are ruffled! (I jest!) I had suspicions you might be the Child but couldn't decide, and at one point I thought you had to be evil, though perhaps only because of the feather ruffling. <3

~

To Lottie, our little companion, many cheers to you as well. I read your "don't." post and somehow I just knew. You should have seen me hit the floor with my laptop and start frantically typing.

~

Last but not least, to Kit, who tried so hard but knee-jerked much like I did, resulting in her demise. It was still a joy to play with you, and a joy to hunt you right off the plague bat out of principle!



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[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

To Lottie, our little companion, many cheers to you as well. I read your "don't." post and somehow I just knew. You should have seen me hit the floor with my laptop and start frantically typing.

I was like 80% sure you would pick it up, but it was such a nail-biting deadline! Also, that post was originally "DON'T.", but the Downs auto-uncaps it to "don't.", which actually conveyed the tone better...maybe the Downs itself was on my side.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I was like 80% sure you would pick it up, but it was such a nail-biting deadline! Also, that post was originally "DON'T.", but the Downs auto-uncaps it to "don't.", which actually conveyed the tone better...maybe the Downs itself was on my side.

I also posted in all caps, which is how I realized you were freaking out.

[Lhunardawen]

PPS. If we kill Brinn, that would be a riot toMorrow. Hahaha.
PPPS. I need coffee.

Me on the Wolf Chat, Night 2. Moral lesson of the story, maybe: Start listening to caffeine-less self.

[Huinesoron]

Since I'm not sure how well this stuff will stay together in the archives:

The Game Thread

The Quarantine Thread / Infirmary / QT-bar

And here's the night-chats:

The Living Pack's Night-chat

Which I set up on Google Docs and then promptly got quarantined out of; I fully intend to read it tomorrow.

And finally:

QT Wolf Perpetual Night-Chat

Wherein I monologue about possible Seers, we laugh ourselves silly over the QT's belief in BoroSeer, and go out still trying to come up with plans for the Days that never came.

hS

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Last but not least, to Kit, who tried so hard but knee-jerked much like I did, resulting in her demise. It was still a joy to play with you, and a joy to hunt you right off the plague bat out of principle!

Sallycakes, you and are will be locked in this dance forever. I actually protected you Night 1 because I thought you'd make a good no trace kill.

Twas a lovely distraction from the real quarantine. I just wish I could keep up with all the posts throughout. I think Rune was onto something with a character limits game.

When Day 1 started and I was biting my nails trying to spot a wolf, my husband casually said "maybe I'll join the forum and play a game with you." I promptly screamed "you're not ready!" But really, is anyone ever ready for WW?

I missed you all!

[Brinniel]

I'm a little disappointed that I never got to play in the QT since I've never been in a dead thread before, but obviously it was more important that I stick around.

I must admit, I'm so proud of myself for actually succeeding in this role - I was a bit terrified when I learned I was the seer since I sort botched it last time I had the role (dreamt of Night kills, then got Night killed early on, yet the entire village couldn't figure out my dreams).

So my goal for this game was to stay alive as long as possible and dream of those who a) aren't likely to get quickly lynched or killed and b) wouldn't expect a seer-me to dream them. My plan was to leave clues but avoid being so obvious to point being caught and keep under the radar but not too much (I always think it's a good thing to be a little suspicious as the seer).

I did NOT expect to almost get lynched Day 1. That almost never happens to which is actually why I kept my cool when Rikae voted me - I wasn't expecting their suspicion of me to start a bandwagon. I think reading the wolves' conversation, they were wondering why I didn't reveal then - it crossed my mind, but after I saw all the votes and did the math I realized I probably didn't need to because Sally's vote wouldn't lynch me and I didn't expect Lalaith to return. It was a heart-pounding moment, but a risk that paid off.

As for my dreams, I PMed Nogs all my reasoning for who I chose each Night so that I could have somebody to talk at.

Night 1:

I chose Lommy because

First Nights are always tough, but this time I think it will be most helpful to pick someone who is an active participant and has a history of sticking around for several Days.

Night 2:

Phew...that was close!
Let's just pretend I meant for all that to happen.

In all seriousness, the Day has given me plenty to ponder over. There are certainly A LOT of players whose intentions I would like to know, but alas, I can only pick one.

I took some notes which helped me narrow it down to four, then down to one. So let's go with:

++Pitchwife

Right now I'm finding several players to be suspicious, Pitch included. The difference is that I think knowing his role (regardless of what it is) could be more telling of other players as well.

I can't remember who my other three suspects were - probably Inzil...and maybe Hui and Boro.

I can't believe how accurate that Hui bandwagon was from the innocents - there really wasn't any seer help there. I had a hunch that Hui might be evil the way he defended me the previous Day, but had not dreamt of him.

Night 3:

Why I chose Lhuna

There's plenty to scrutinize from yesterDay's later votes, which I think will be discussed heavily by the village toMorrow. So I would rather learn more about one of the earlier voters particularly someone who is flying under the radar as I imagine a wolf is hiding among them. Unfortunately that makes picking someone a shot in the dark, because I honestly have no clue which one could be evil!

This really was a lucky guess because I was very close to dreaming Greenie instead. I was quite gleeful that I found a wolf, yet I was not in a hurry to lynch her and make it too obvious. We had just lynched a wolf, so I knew I had an extra Day or two to observe her and hopefully find clues to other wolves. Unfortunately, she disappeared the next Day. I was actually a little bummed she got lynched the Day after because 1) I really wanted to lynch Inzil (sorry!) and 2) it was nice to have a known wolf in my back pocket should I need to reveal. The good thing was that since the village seemed set on lynching her, I was able to step back and go along with it without looking seerish to the remaining wolves.

My first reaction to Nogs after Lhuna's lynch:

Quarantine Thread stole my thunder.

Didn't realize it was actually evil Boro...

And Inzil, I never did dream you because you seemed like a viable lynch candidate and also I realized if I was wrong about you, doing a Legate180 would appear incredibly seerish. I did briefly doubt my suspicions for a little while because I wasn't sure two wolves would entangle themselves in the ranger debacle, but I just had to know your role and it had to be via lynch. (Again, sorry!)
See Night 3

After everything that happened, I find Inzil to be the most suspicious - so much so that I actually do not want to dream him because I think he may be a viable lynch candidate toMorrow, guilty or not. And even if he is innocent, I have concerns that an attempt for me to defend him may give seerish vibes. If he does survive the Day (and I'm still alive), I may revisit him.

and Night 5

I've now come to realize that I can't dream Inzil because in the scenario that I'm wrong about him and he's innocent, doing a 180 on him toMorrow could be a red flag to the wolves. It's driving me crazy - I just want to know what he is!

Night 4:

I had five players on my short list that Night. I considered Lottie, but thought if she were innocent, her reaction to Sally's hunt might hint seerness and get her killed. In the end I chose Shasta because

If he's a wolf, he's slipping under the radar. If he's innocent, his psychic powers weren't really working yesterDay, but maybe they'll pick up again later - and I find it less likely that he will be killed toNight.

Shasta, I have to echo Lommy from earlier in the game and wonder whatever happened to those psychic powers?

Night 5:

I was rereading yesterDay's events last night...and at some point fell asleep. Anyway, I'm just going to go with my gut because I think knowing his role will be most useful:

++Eonwe

And considering he became quite suspected later on, knowing his role was indeed helpful.

Night 6:

Now that I know Inzil is innocent, I'm come to realize I honestly have no clue who the final three wolves are! There are certain pairs I find unlikely, but even after going through past posts, I don't feel confident about anyone anymore.

I really was thrown - you guys really did a good job hiding from me too. If it weren't for process of elimination, I don't think I would've figured you out. Thus, my choice of Greenie was another shot in the dark.

Once I knew she was innocent, I starting grouping unknowns to figure out possible wolf pairings. In my handwritten notes, at one point, I did note Ka/Kath/Boro as the most likely trio. I was almost certain about the first two and less so about Boro.

As for the whole Boro-ploy. I did leave him alone that Night thinking he might be an ordo baiting the wolves. When he didn't die, I thought it might be because he was wrong about Eonwe and the wolves didn't fall for it. I tried to stay away from the discussion that Day in case it was a ploy to draw out the seer, but in all honesty, I thought him more likely to be innocent by the end of the Day for the same reasons Lommy gave.

Day 6 was tough for me because I had a RL Board meeting to attend during the last two hours and while I was able to monitor the thread, I could not actively write anything. If one of my unknowns had gone to QT overNight, I would have immediately revealed. But Pitch was chosen instead which had me weighing my options. I did the math and realized I probably could reveal and result in a win, however I felt less comfortable doing so without a confirmed wolf and should there be a counter reveal or the village not believe me, RL wouldn't allow me to defend myself. And anyway I thought there was enough seer talk for one Day. I decided I'd only reveal if a known innocent (i.e. Eonwe) was looking to be the primary lynch candidate. I even pre-wrote my reveal post (which was similar to the actual one I used) - that way I could just hit submit during my meeting if necessary. (I did the same with my vote.) The QT vote caused me to panic for a quick second and I thought really was going to have to reveal to save myself. Thankfully the village ignored their vote and smartly went with Ka.

Night 7:

That Night I thought there was a chance that my defense of Eonwe exposed me and I really thought I might get killed. If not me, I suspected it would be Greenie, but thankfully the wolves fell for Shasta's seer hints. I chose Kath because

If she's not evil, so help me..

And I really needed a known wolf.

I really was torn between Rune and Boro the last Day. Rune kept looking more like a frustrated innocent and Boro's last posts were rather fishy (especially when he tried to advise me on how to lead QT vote the next Day). Boro you were truly brilliant - I semi-suspected you for the first half of the game, but after you bused both Lhuna and Ka along with you claiming to be ordo pretending to be the seer, I was fairly convinced you were innocent. Right up until the end.

All of you baddies did a great job, really. If it weren't for my seer abilities, I really don't think I would've had you figured out and if you had found me, I think you most likely would've won the game because you definitely kept the village guessing.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

And Inzil, I never did dream you because you seemed like a viable lynch candidate and also I realized if I was wrong about you, doing a Legate180 would appear incredibly seerish. I did briefly doubt my suspicions for a little while because I wasn't sure two wolves would entangle themselves in the ranger debacle, but I just had to know your role and it had to be via lynch. (Again, sorry!)

That makes sense. Regardless of alignment, making it past Day 2 is often an accomplishment for me.
I find it perplexing that when a wolf, I get suspicion for seeming too careful. When innocent, it's because I say too much.

[Kath]

I'm so sad I didn't get a chance to play in the QT! But I love the self sacrifice motif at the end.

Brinn. You were seriously the village person of the game. My head and my analysis said she's got to be a contender for Seer, but it was always logic based not gut level because you were hiding so well so I never pushed for it. Huge kudos to you!

Lommy and Eonwe, you were sort of the wolves' people of the game. Eonwe you were so helpfully constantly suspicious and Lommy ... I mean ... leading a charge that ended up taking out the Hunter and then being so utterly convinced about Boro. You couldn't have been more helpful if you HAD been the Cobbler!

To my fellow wolves, thank you for such a fun game! Lhuna you nearly gave me a heart attack with that self vote Day 1; Ka I can't believe how incredibly you played especially with all the RL stuff going on; Hui my friend if we're ever wolves again I'm letting you go down in flames because that was hilarious and left no traces and I don't know how you did that; Boro I laughed every single time I read the game thread and watched you drop Seer hints left, right and centre and everyone else mildly panic about interacting with you as a result.

I think Ka said it at one point, using this place as a safe haven in a storm, and honestly I have had so much fun, and the majority of that has been all of you. It's been far too long.

[Boromir88]

That QT was a delight to read.

I tend to lament never being able to enjoy participating in the games with dead threads, as the couple times a game has had them, I've either survived to end or killed on the final end game. However, for this game a larger part of me is happy I didn't die early on. I had way too much fun being an unknown for almost the entire game. If I was a known and lynched wolf, I would have joined in the shenanigans, but I don't think I could have had as much fun as I ended up having. Reading the QT afterwards added more to a great experience. And reading my dead comrades night plans to go along with the BoroSeer of the QT and still plotting on a way to try to help me as the last wolf standing was super. Thank you!

I did laugh out loud (for real) when reading Legate in the QT:

Also: looked through Boro's posts for some obvious stuff and also his early posts for some announcement of strategy and found zip, nil, nada.

Heh, sorry, just the thought of your fruitless endeavor to try to find out my strategy for the QT was terribly funny. I guess you could say my strategy was to cause confusion and spin the quarantined around in circles. Which, well when you were in the GT you spotted that was exactly my strategy and suspected me for it. What happens to an infected brain that starts saying "trust Boro"?

All the behind the scenes goings on, makes me realized what a fantastic and balanced game this was. A couple turning points that would have changed our fortunes...

Big one right at the start is Brinn was tied and so close to be lynched. When I came out Day 2 with an "assumption" that Brinn was a wolf, she had played off the Day 1 suspicions and mine so calmly I never suspected her as the seer for the entire game. Maybe if I had stuck with the "Brinn's a wolf" assumption, I surely would have been lynched, but perhaps exposed Brinn early on.

My absolute favorite day was the day Inzil was lynched (sorry bud ). The pack was anticipating THE Ka to be lynched, so I was in full throttle seer-hinting mode, THE Ka was holding up a "just lynch me sign", Pitch was scrambling around and looking like he was frustrated that he couldn't steer the village in the direction he wanted (which we interpreted as a seer who had only dreamed innocents), then we all returned to our night chat wondering how the heck Inzil got lynched that day. Heh

But that day led to the next turning point, the day THE Ka was lynched and after that day I felt my cruddiest. Just read my post:

As much of a headache I probably caused everyone, at least for myself, I'm pretty comfortable with these...

I considered making it interesting...because I trust Lommy and Kath more, but I don't trust Eonwe. Them and myselves I believe who we have left to vote?

I considered Brinn, because I don't know what the QT is trying to do, but I don't trust THE Ka, and she added on to vote Brinn.

I think the time for plans and tricks is over. A missed wolf today and we're in big trouble. So...

++THE Ka

Left to vote was Kath, Lommy, Eonwe and me. I knew Eonwe wouldn't vote for himself so there wasn't going to be a chance he would be lynched. But with Kath and myself around, I was torn on do I do a 180 and vote Brinn (the QT and Ka voted for her). If I voted Brinn there though, it would certainly expose me, and probably Kath too (I don't know if she would have voted for Ka or not), but probably would have been the best play for me knowing now that Brinn was the seer and would dream of Kath the following night.

[Kath]

Boro, reading that also made me remember that on the Day where Inzil was lynched I had been so taken by surprise by the QT vote for Rune that I genuinely thought Rune was dead and Inzil was alive. I spent half the Night analysing Inzil's posts for possible Seerishness and totally ignored poor Rune!