TIG CXVII: GAME Thread:

[satansaloser2005]

Well, that was unexpected. I see my radar for gifteds is equal to my radar for wolves, unfortunately. Sorry, Lottie. I owe you one.

As for these accusations against me, I hope you don't think me foolish enough to kill someone suspecting me on the first night of a game. That's rather offensive, to be honest. I welcome accusations, though of course when I'm innocent, as I am now, votes not so much.

I think Morsul is more misguided than evil, though innocents can do just as much damage if acting on the wrong information, as he is now.

I'm currently very tired, though I will be around all of the rest of the day, so I'll see everyone again in the morning. Hopefully we can put this behind us and not lynch an innocent (read, me).

More thoughts on the thread later. For now, sleep.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

As for these accusations against me, I hope you don't think me foolish enough to kill someone suspecting me on the first night of a game. That's rather offensive, to be honest. I welcome accusations, though of course when I'm innocent, as I am now, votes not so much.
.

I mean, what else would you say? As was pointed out with the dead being able to talk to us it’s important to take out the seeer as soon as possible for the wolves. Even if it means losing one of their own. In fact G55’s clarification that I missed probably wasn’t by the wolves since they’d know their roles more nicely. And that’s losing you to the DT isn’t actually a loss you gain power over what information they get and the ghost can give.

So killing seerForm would limit his dreams and even if you get killed for it you get control of the DT.

In a normal game your argument would hold more water. In a game with a ghost the strategy for the wolves needs and rewards aggression.

I stand by my vote.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

To be honest after yesterDay, the Ghost appearing is a welcome relief. And yeah I have to second what others said, Form, you are nailing it. I figure that right now the Ghost may be probably asleep, which is a pity, because I'd have liked to ask a few things for clarification. I hope that before the Day is done the rest of us will also have the chance to interact more directly with the Ghost.

Since I started about this, one thing is that both Morsul and Boro have interpreted the last thing Form said as response to themselves, but which is it? And if the interpretation is what Boro said, is it that there is only 1 Wolf, or it is that there is at least one but there may be more? (I presume that - and this goes generally also for the future, if there is something important we misinterpret - the Ghost can say something that will address these when he appears.)

And one more remark while I am at the subject. I think the Ghost's first words were not just a greeting, but mainly a "take it slow" remark, especially in the response to Morsul's first-posts' action plans which, by the way, I don't endorse at all. And now he even sabotaged them himself by voting within like three seconds. That is nothing to say about voting sally, which may be a good idea, but now Morsul effectively forces everybody's hand, and that's just absolutely irresponsible (in the better case) before majority of the village had the chance to even discuss this. Does not help that first gets lynched and per Boro's and Morsul's interpretation of the Ghost's words, Morsul could be on the shortlist of Wolves.

Anyway, I also second Boro's request that if you, Gorlim (Forlim?) have any other information from "the council of Ilúvatar", you should tell us first before it gets buried under our own speculations. If the Dead have some speculation, then of course it is just a speculation, but if there is for example something relevant you have concluded, anything that might shed light on anything is helpful.

Otherwise however, I think we should not just tunnel-vision on the Ghost toDay, however nice it is. We better catch a Wolf toDay and also in the future Days, and the Ranger dying is actually a big setback in these numbers.

Which brings me to one question we should look at - so why did Lottie get targeted? I still assume the Wolves primarily go for the Seer (and I don't assume they thought her the Ranger and killed her for that, unless she somewhere advertised it blatantly and they saw it - but I don't see why a Ranger should advertise...). The puzzling part about it is that she voted for two innocents on the previous Days, so the Wolves would have no reason to kill her based on those. I will look into it.

EDIT: x-ed with Morsul. Whoa, somebody is around!

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

effectively forces everybody's hand,

Yeah, basically. It forces the wolves to hide and bus one of their own or vote in tandem trying to save them revealing themselves. Or to try to hide more effectively they have to avoid bandwagonning. Either way their power is broken. I had originally put my vote in my first post, at that point it was a much more desperate shot in the dark. FormerForm’s information bears out my suspicion and I can more confidently make the vote.

Edit: I’m around now but I work today noon to 8(DL is 7pm for me) so I’ll have much less interaction throughout the day.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Since I started about this, one thing is that both Morsul and Boro have interpreted the last thing Form said as response to themselves, but which is it? And if the interpretation is what Boro said, is it that there is only 1 Wolf, or it is that there is at least one but there may be more? (I presume that - and this goes generally also for the future, if there is something important we misinterpret - the Ghost can say something that will address these when he appears.)

To be clear, I still don't trust you, but I'm putting those problems aside for toDay, because, in my opinion, we have to make the best choice from Morsul, Pitch, or sally if we want to fight on another day.

And in my situation with the limited time today, this will likely be my last lengthy post. I was hoping to have another message, if there is one, but that was too hopeful.

Yes, I took Form's response, that at least 1 wolf is among those who received votes on Day 1. But I'm going to operate under the assumption that it is 1. If sally is a wolf, I don't think this should exclude the possibility Morsul or Pitch being one (Or if Morsul's a wolf, that wouldn't exclude sally or Pitch...etc). But if we make it to that event of getting 1 wolf today, Ghost!Form's message about Day 1 wouldn't implicate the other 2 either.

(RL note: I will be pretty much away for the rest of the Day. I was planning on having to vote super early, but I will have my mobile device. So at least I'll still be able to check in and vote from that. This also means - maybe to the delight of many, this will be my last "lengthy" post of the day. )

[Boromir88]

I lied, because I see a confused Lommy...

Originally Posted by Of the Beginning of Days

Therefore at the sixth hour of the First Day,

Of the Beginning of Day, the First Day, meaning this is a message pertaining to Day 1.

Originally Posted by Not At Home

In the Lake-town we have always elected

Mentioning an "election", or in our case a vote. The message pertains to something about Day 1s vote.

Originally Posted by The Riders of Rohan

and five you have measured ere the

"Five you have measured". To be measured, to consider, to deliberate. The 5 we deliberated lynching Day 1.

Morsul
sally
Pitch
Huey
Lottie

Greenie is not included, because she was the Day 1 lynch and revealed innocent. So of the 5 others who we measured (considered) to lynch...

Originally Posted by Three is Company

one of the Big People

Originally Posted by Many Meetings

there are wargs and were-wolves

One of them "there are wargs and were-wolves." As Lottie and Huey have since died and revealed not to be a werewolf, that leaves sally, Pitch, Morsul.

And Form responded after with what looks like a confirmation:

Originally Posted by A Conspiracy Unmasked

'I think,' answered Frodo slowly, 'that it was a good guess, as far as it goes.

Please don't make me explain again. That was a pain on my phone.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Ainulindalë

Then Ilúvatar arose, and the Ainur perceived that he smiled; and he lifted up his left hand, and a new theme began amid the storm, like and yet unlike to the former theme, and it gathered power and had new beauty.

Originally Posted by The Shadow of the Past

'Last night you began to tell me strange things about my ring, Gandalf,' he said. 'And then you stopped, because you said that such matters were best left until daylight. Don't you think you had better finish now?

Ghost

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I was about to post and I just feel like remarking, wow. Form, I dig this. This is amazing. The only sad thing is that right now I have no idea what you are talking about and I have to be off in a couple of minutes and then won't be around for large part of the Day... but cool.

Short summary post incoming.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by The Siege of Gondor

'The morning of two days ago, nigh on three days of journey! How far is the place where you parted?'

Originally Posted by Not at Home

"In the Lake-town we have always elected masters from among the old and wise, and have not endured the rule of mere fighting men.

Originally Posted by The Mirror of Galadriel

All of them, it seemed, had fared alike: each had felt that he was offered a choice between a shadow full of fear that lay ahead, and something that he greatly desired: clear before his mind it lay, and to get it he had only to turn aside from the road and leave the Quest and the war against Sauron to others.

Originally Posted by Farewell to Lórien

'For you little gardener and lover of trees,' she said to Sam, 'I have only a small gift.'

Originally Posted by Roast Mutton

"Lots and none at all, it is," said he.

Originally Posted by The Shadow of the Past

Your ring is shown to be that One Ring by the fire-writing alone, apart from any other evidence.'
'And when did you discover that?' asked Frodo, interrupting.
'Just now in this room, of course,' answered the wizard sharply.

Ghost

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

My main defense against wolfdom is my early vote. A wolf can’t vote first if breaks their bandwagon power. But a vote for their own first, that scatters any plans they could have as per my last post.

You realise that a Wolf doing so would empower *their* bandwagon that way. And like I said, even if you were innocent, it is just plain irresponsible to vote before half of the village even showed up.

That being said, sally has been slipping under the radar a lot, which is a perfect behaviour for a Wolf. She did so while at the same getting votes during both Days, and nearly getting lynched yesterDay. If she is a Wolf, then one could expect her packmates to have had hand in it. If she is innocent, with her getting votes both Days, the Wolves would probably think she would be the perfect scapegoat for toDay with the likelihood that people would vote her. That is the one reason I am uneasy with this start and I would hold our horses at least until we've had the time to seriously consider everything.

I like Lommy's more sensible approach, even though she seems also confused to a degree. For that matter,

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Also, G55, I'm confused, can we ask direct question of the ghost like Morsul did? I thought not?

We can ask questions, we cannot give specific directions and I presume not any phantom-esque moves.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

To be clear, I still don't trust you, but I'm putting those problems aside for toDay, because, in my opinion, we have to make the best choice from Morsul, Pitch, or sally if we want to fight on another day.

Feeling is mutual, especially with you and Morsul steering most of toDay's conversation from the onset.

Otherwise, I took a very quick look at Loslote's posts, and like I said, her votes were for innocents, so the Wolves would hardly have any reason to think her a Seer based on that. The one thing that jumped at me was her desperate defense yesterDay. That is something the WWs might have absolutely seen as a Gifted feeling threatened and cracking under pressure - and it probably was just that, only it was not the Seer, but the Ranger:

Originally Posted by Loslote

If there was a LottieWolf, maybe. I am not a wolf. You will get no information from lynching me, and the people who are spending the whole Day barking up this tree are giving the wolves perfect cover in which to operate. Please, just look at one (1) other person toDay. The village doesn’t benefit from wasting the whole day suspecting the same (innocent, believe it or not) person.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Well, yes. Several people have said nothing all Day except that I seem suspicious. I am getting tired of that - look at other options! My vote stands out because it was the deciding one. Well, if Pitch had voted before me and Huin had turned out to be innocent, maybe my vote would have been the throwaway vote and his would have been the one that saved Greenie and you all would think Pitch and Greenie were packmates. That's just the position we were both in at the end of yesterDay, because people didn't vote, and I strongly suspect two innocents were the ones most likely to go home. I made a decision. I didn't especially suspect Greenie, but I chose to keep Huin, and now you and Morsul are all but refusing to look at anyone else because of it. It is frustrating, and I am a bit touchy at this point. I'm not a wolf, and I really, really wish you guys would spend more time looking for wolves than just reiterating that you suspect me. I get it, I do, but please don't just let the wolves skate by completely unnoticed because you can't stop talking about me!

I think that outburst alone could have been a good sign of Giftedness. (And it is possible, however less likely, that the WWs might have decided to just go for someone they thought "a" Gifted, even if it was not "the" Gifted. Especially in this small village.)

Saddly I gotta rush off now. And like I said I'm going to be away for large part of toDay, but will be back hopefully several hours before DL, so as to have time to post and vote based on hopefully some more clarifying discussion. Sucks that I have to leave just when the Ghost seems to be around, maybe I'll manage to make some quick post still now, but I'm not betting on that.

EDIT: x-ed after my last

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Feeling is mutual, especially with you and Morsul steering most of toDay's conversation from the onset.

That's only fair. But I do answer with, you are also a steersman. Steering is in my nature just as much as it is in yours. I know where I'm steering, sometimes it is not straight, sometimes there are rapids ahead, and therefor it's better to take the longer path. Sometimes you must brave the rapids and risk losing folk with a true-heart in them. One thing I'm certain of, is I do not wish to be like my namesake and go straight over the falls of Rauros.

I agree there is more to do today than interpreting Form's messages and I like that there will be other conversations. For toDay, Legate perhaps it is a comfort to you that my steering is done. As Boromir says to Aragorn after Moria, "Lead on!" My flaw, I must often be reminded that 2 steersman, both with a good and loyal heart can pull in opposite directions. So my question to you, steersman, where are you going and what is your flaw?

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

You realise that a Wolf doing so would empower *their* bandwagon that way. And like I said, even if you were innocent, it is just plain irresponsible to vote before half of the village even showed up.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Form laid out the problem on day one lurkers getting a pass Sally has only posted like six times and only one of those had any information and included “no reads” on about half the village. Voted No One leaving exactly zero trail. Form’s death definitely implicated her especially with the ghost role(as outlined in one of my previous posts). She voted Lottie, based seemingly on her being “slightly more aggressive than usual” then Lottie is killed was she trying to off a Seer? I suspected Lottie but backed off because her last post was so emphatic I was convinced she was innocent.

Virtually nothing would dissuade me of her guilt. Even the seer reveal because it would simply be countered and then we’re down to guessing between the two anyway. That’s why the deer’s voting in post was an important part. But since I’m alone on that plan I pulled my nuclear option.

Let’s not leave out Sorimon’s Weird backwards logic vote that doubled down on Lottie following a wolf pack’s lead? Form called them both out they could’ve killed him not just for the Sally vote but to prevent him dreaming Sorimon too.

Edit: not important none of y’all gonna take the FormerForm journey with me?

[Boromir88]

Now that's not at all a reaction I would expect from an innocent sally. You seem almost resigned to the fact you're going to be lynched today. And if you are innocent than I don't think you would be trying to guilt trip and make us feel uneasy that you now act resigned to your fate.

Originally Posted by sally

As for these accusations against me, I hope you don't think me foolish enough to kill someone suspecting me on the first night of a game. That's rather offensive, to be honest. I welcome accusations, though of course when I'm innocent, as I am now, votes not so much.

I never like this defense "Do you think I'd be that foolish/dumb to Night kill someone suspecting/voting for me. That's offensive." It is very much a guilt trip, to try to make us feel bad that a wolf "couldn't be that foolish/obvious." Why is it foolish for wolves to target someone if they suspect they are the seer?

Hindsight reveals he wasn't, but that doesn't change the fact he was the wolves first kill and they don't know who the Seer is. If he turned out to be the seer, I guarantee you (if you are a wolf) wouldn't be trying to make us feel like we're being offensive. We've all done it (well, excluding Soriman, hopefully we haven't scared you away! We are very odd people and ghosts). We've all thought we picked up a sign from someone at some point about their role, like "Boro has to be the seer" and if the wolves thought that Night 1, I'm dead instead of Form.

What particularly doesn't make sense is...

Originally Posted by sally

I think Morsul is more misguided than evil, though innocents can do just as much damage if acting on the wrong information, as he is now.

So, knowing that out of 3 (Morsul, sally, Pitch) at least one is a wolf. When Morsul learns this, his reaction was a quick trigger response "I'm innocent, it's not me, so going with the 50/50 plunge for the person most suspicious out of the two. Which, doesn't say anything about his role, but it is an understandable reaction to have.

Your reaction is quite different.

Originally Posted by sally

Hopefully we can put this behind us and not lynch an innocent (read, me).

Ok, understandable, like Morsul this wouldn't say anything about your role. But what I don't understand is you are inclined to think Morsul is a misguided innocent, but say nothing about Pitch? So, if at least 1 of 3 has to be a wolf, from your perspective it's not you, you don't think it's Morsul, which means an innocent sally would start suspecting Pitch? Yet you do not do this, your reaction is very much resigned to the fact you will be lynched. An innocent sally in our situation knowing we really need a wolf today, wouldn't just sacrifice herself like this.

So...are you a sacrificial wolf, because Pitch is also a wolf and you are hoping we move away from Pitch after your lynch?

[Pitchwife]

I've had a brief look through Morsul's and sally's posts.


Morsul:

It struck me that on D1 he had Kath among his top suspects for her early vote, admitting it could have been based on her time zone but she could be using this as an easy defense.

Then toDay he casts an early vote himself and defends it saying "A wolf can’t vote first if breaks their bandwagon power." Double standard much?


He has been very vocal pushing the idea that Form was killed by a wolf pack including sally under the assumption that he was the Seer and dreamed her. If, on the other hand, the pack had killed Form to frame sally they'd want to make sure to keep mentioning how the kill pointed to her, which could be what Morsul is doing.


He also suspected Lottie yesterDay and speculated she might be packmates with sally and Hui. As we now know two of these three were innocent I'm wary of his dogged pursuit of the third.


Last not last, I'm not a fan of his plans in his first post toDay, especially not on the "let's all vote together" as above.



sally:
Nothing at all on D1. D2 she trusted Boro and myself on gut feeling, suspected Lommy (again, gut feeling) and Lottie (found her too agressive for an Ordlote), no idea about Huri, Sori and Legate.
She thought I had some great points about Lottie, found her more suspicious the more she talked and ended up voting her.


Now if sally is a wolf who was pressed for time yesterDay, piggybacking on my points against Lottie would have been an easy way to justify her vote, and also to justify going after Lottie rather than Lommy if Lommy is another wolf. Also buddying up to me.



It's a tough call. I want to suspect Morsul but how much of it is just because I often find his way of thinking weird? Overall the impression I get from him is posting what goes through his mind and confound the consequences. I want to trust sally but I can see her more easily as a sly and manipulative wolf. Blergh.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I've had a brief look through Morsul
Morsul:

Then toDay he casts an early vote himself and defends it saying "A wolf can’t vote first if breaks their bandwagon power." Double standard much?

Double standard criticism is fair except the numbers and strategy on day one va day three are vastly different.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Form

Ghost

Ahh, ok I take that as a no the dead's message is not about last night's kill.

Oof...I've racked my brain too much on this so going to let it be for now and think on the task at hand.

Originally Posted by Pitch

It's a tough call. I want to suspect Morsul but how much of it is just because I often find his way of thinking weird? Overall the impression I get from him is posting what goes through his mind and confound the consequences. I want to trust sally but I can see her more easily as a sly and manipulative wolf. Blergh.

I see Morsul's early vote as a hasty plunge, without knowing what else could be learned from today. It's not something I would do, but Morsul isn't me, so is it something a hasty Wolf!Morsul would do?

I'm more worried of sally's reaction, which looked like a concession and resignation that she will be lynched today. I just can't see an innocent sally reacting that way, even one that has been very busy so far, because she would know that if she is innocent and lynched, without the Ranger, it's over.

Particularly with she stated she was "inclined to believe Morsul is a misguided innocent" which means, an innocent sally *should* have started suspecting Pitch. But she does not do this, does not say anything about Pitch, just seemed resigned to her fate and tried to guilt trip us into thinking it would be too obvious to kill Form Night 1 if she was a wolf.

This could mean, Morsul is a wolf who voted for his mate sally, because there was already a plan to sacrifice herself if she was in trouble today. Although Morsul's hasty vote doesn't seem to be wolf-on-wolf, and if they are both wolves, why would Morsul not vote for Pitch? *seconded the bleurgh*

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Double standard criticism is fair except the numbers and strategy on day one va day three are vastly different.

Yes, and an early vote toDay is much more dangerous than an early vote on D1. You realise if the wolves all pile on your vote and sally is first to get 4 votes, then even if the rest of us all vote a wolf it's still game over in case she's innocent, right?

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Yes, and an early vote toDay is much more dangerous than an early vote on D1. You realise if the wolves all pile on your vote and sally is first to get 4 votes, then even if the rest of us all vote a wolf it's still game over in case she's innocent, right?

They already would have.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

They already would have.

Fair point.


Then again, if sally's #316 and #318 are a last ditch attempt by satansawerewolf to sway toDay's voting, who are her packmates? I know I'm not a wolf, I'm leaning Boro isn't either, I don't know about Morsul but he has been gunning for her two Days straight. What does she have to gain from keeping us around? Boro and I understand, if she figures we're more likely to trust her, but Morsul?
More importantly, why would she want us to vote any of Kath, Legate, Lommy or Sori? If Boro and Morsul aren't her packmates, they must be among these four, so why put them up for voting?

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by sally

No, but they are fallible. Remember, our seer is still among us somewhere, so the dead have nothing to go on but their opinions.

This is just not true. They don't know anyone's roles for sure, but they get snippets of info from the moddesses to work with, and they thought these important enough to send Form as a Ghost to pass them on to us. As per these messages, if Boro has interpreted them correctly (which Form confirmed in #287), at least one of five people who got votes on D1 is a wolf. Eliminating known innocents, that leaves you, Morsul and me. So?

[Soriman the Whide]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Morsul:
He has been very vocal pushing the idea that Form was killed by a wolf pack...

He also suspected Lottie yesterDay and speculated she might be packmates with sally and Hui. As we now know two of these three were innocent I'm wary of his dogged pursuit of the third.

Yes exactly, I don't think Sally should be the focus for today.
I do not believe Morsul is a wolf and think his bandwagon excuse for an early vote holds some sway when you consider the wolves will win if we get this wrong.


Edit: Are you guys calling it a crossed post when you replied without seeing the most recent reply?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Soriman the Whide

Edit: Are you guys calling it a crossed post when you replied without seeing the most recent reply?

Yes.

[satansaloser2005]

For Boro, I wasn't resigned so much as in a lot of pain and didn't want to lash out unnecessarily, so I went out of my way not to blame Morsul.

I still think Morsul is a misguided innocent, but that misguided vote will cost us the game. Don't make his mistake. Vote for almost literally anyone else.

(AKA Here I am again.)

[satansaloser2005]

Not doing quote yet, but a list for now. Obviously I was wrong about Lottie, and we have more information now, so I've done a little rearranging. Sticking with two categories since it's later in the Day.

Would vote....
Kath
Legate
Lommy
Sori

Wouldn't vote....
Boro
Morsul
Pitch

Quotes incoming.

[Pitchwife]

OK, sally, if I understand you right then you, Boro and Morsul are all innocent, as well as myself (which I knew already). Of course I'd be happy to believe that.

But then what of the message of the Dead that seems to say one of you, Morsul and me is a wolf? Do the Dead lie?

[Soriman the Whide]

Guys don't waste your vote on me I'm harmless I swear, yes perhaps my arguments are backwards and minimalistic but honestly I couldn't eat someone!
I was guided to vote lottie when my gut feeling was Huin, snippets of Legate's posts (I remember #168 standing out) influenced this and because of this I am wary of him.

I'm not going to vote for Sally today after being so wrong about Huin and Lottie.

[Kath]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Wouldn't vote....
Boro
Morsul
Pitch

Assuming she's not planning to self-vote, then sally is going completely off-piste from the message we think we've got from GhostForm. sally, can you explain what you think he meant by the quotes instead then?

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Soriman the Whide

Yes exactly, I don't think Sally should be the focus for today.

At least not the exclusive focus, and concentrating only on the trio implied by the Ghost (sally, Morsul, me) lets too many people sail under the radar unquestioned.

I can see sally and Lommy being in a pack, as Kath suggests (though obviously not with me).

I think I can also see a tandem between Kath and Morsul - Kath brought up the idea that Form's death points to sally, and Morsul keeps pushing it, also from the above trio Kath picks me and sally as her wolf choices but says nothing (as far as I see) about Morsul.


Actually, as per Form's message we don't know whether there were one or more werewolves among the "five you have measured", do we?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by The Council of Elrond

'We know not for certain,' answered Elrond sadly.

Ghost

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I think I can also see a tandem between Kath and Morsul - Kath brought up the idea that Form's death points to sally, and Morsul keeps pushing it, also from the above trio Kath picks me and sally as her wolf choices but says nothing (as far as I see) about Morsul.

Fair point!

Morsul:
Day 1:
Post 14 states Hui is least suspicious. Many, myself included, found that a strong statement so early on. Post 19 this immediately switched as Morsul then thought Hui was focusing too much on their posts and that it would be a wolf pushing toward a bandwagon. I questioned the switch, more because saying Hui was least suspicious seemed odder to me than then moving to finding them suspicious later. Just seemed a very strong statement so early on. Morsul clearly feels attacked and in post 43 says they'll probably vote Hui, I guess out of self-preservation. In post 55 also mentions Boro as a suspect for seeming convinced of Morsul's innocence. Bearing in mind this was all long after I'd voted, when I read through all this with the benefit of hindsight there is definitely a feel of annoyed innocent.
Voted Hui for seeming to bandwagon while saying they didn't want to.

Day 2:
Morsul is one of the first posters of the Day and immediately looks at Form. Concludes that the Night kill likely either makes sally a wolf, or it's a frame job. Found Lottie's vote for Greenie suspicious because it meant she'd voted against her previous suspicions. Not quite sure who is being referred to here:

Also the toss up slightly puts Huin into a tiny bit of suspicion because could’ve been saving a pack mate. But would she put her neck that far out for a pack mate on day 1?

List post 114 is odd, mostly because of the order of the suspects. So, they voted for Hui the Day before and are still suspicious, but have sally higher up the list despite just saying 'definitely needs to post more' about her. Made quite a good point I felt in post 129 but that's probably because it followed my thinking on the Form-Seer idea. I agree with post 145 and said something very similar - ends up with a wolf pack of sally/Lottie/Hui. With what we know now, could be a Morsulwolf hiding a packmates in with innocents. With that said, Morsul has been pretty focused on sally through the Day. And indeed has Lottie followed by sally at the top ones to vote for. sally being a wolf here doesn't mean Morsul isn't, especially as Lottie had been mentioned a lot through the Day and was quite a reasonable assumption for a Morsulwolf to think she'd get the votes over a sally packmate. But it is a relatively bold play and there was still definitely a chance of sally gaining votes. Then in post 154 backs right off Lottie.
Voted sally (first vote, so could be considered safe if wolf on wolf as it's the first one with no guarantee anyone would follow, and a lot of people talking about Lottie instead)

Day 3:
The 'plans' in Morsul's first post are the kind of thing that work in theory, but in practice? No. However, their point about an innocent voting the wrong person and the wolves jumping on it was a fair one. I understand the concern about throwing an early vote out, but Morsul votes sally not very long after this, and so far ... no jumping. Post 251 in conjunction with Boro uses Form's quotes to get to a suspect list of Morsul, sally, Pitch. However, in post 289 is then looking at a wolfpack of sally, Sori, Kath. Why the switch there Morsul, as I thought you'd agreed with Boro?
Voted sally.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Kath

Day 3:
The 'plans' in Morsul's first post are the kind of thing that work in theory, but in practice? No. However, their point about an innocent voting the wrong person and the wolves jumping on it was a fair one. I understand the concern about throwing an early vote out, but Morsul votes sally not very long after this, and so far ... no jumping. Post 251 in conjunction with Boro uses Form's quotes to get to a suspect list of Morsul, sally, Pitch. However, in post 289 is then looking at a wolfpack of sally, Sori, Kath. Why the switch there Morsul, as I thought you'd agreed with Boro?
Voted sally.

I agree one of them is a wolf(Sally) that leaves two I’m 80% sure Sorimon is the second it’s the third I’m far less confident on with no one going over 25% at most.

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I agree one of them is a wolf(Sally) that leaves two I’m 80% sure Sorimon is the second it’s the third I’m far less confident on with no one going over 25% at most.

I've just worked this out, sorry. As in out of Morsul, sally, Pitch you're saying sally is the wolf and then working out who would be in the pack alongside. (Assuming it's not you of course ...)

I suppose it's just that we've no guarantee there is only one wolf in Morsul/sally/Pitch that had thrown me there.

Given Sori's strange posts it would be tempting to say wolf!