What will you choose?

[Araréiel]

No questions, I'd go left and take only my boyfriend and his adorable little daughter. I hate this world we are in and always dream of escaping it. Actually, we both are to the point that we are trying to decide if we should move to Monaco in a couple of years, or maybe to Tuscany. The world is a terrible place, and especially America.

We are so backward here, taxed to death, without money for schools, yet we are paying for research into an elevator into space, and I swear I am not making that up!!
From NASA: http://flightprojects.msfc.nasa.gov/fd02_elev.html
http://www.space.com/businesstechnol..._020327-1.html
Other countries tax less, yet have univeral health care and better school. At the July 4th celebration the commentator said we erected the Statue of Liberty to celebrate the signing of the Declaration of Independence! (Actually, it was a gift from France in 1876, 100 years after the signing). This is how stupid this country is.

The overall world isn't much better.

I'd give anything to go live in Middle Earth and get away from the hell we call Planet Earth!!

[Mirkgirl]

I see one problem with taking people with you... they actually have to have a choice too. I mean, I wouldn't be overjoyed if I wake up somewhere new and find out that some good friend of mine decided to take me as luggagge

I don't really know what I'd do. It'd depend on how I feel that day I guess... I know it'd be a one time chance, but does that mean I have to take it? The whole idea of choice includes the possibility of saying no. I'd be really tempted, no doubt. But I think I'd stay in the world were I belong. (:

[Evisse the Blue]

I'll go left, into the 'flawed' fantasy world of a human (oh, but a human genius!) And those I take with me will sure enough want to go: my sister, my mom, my dog and my boyfriend (if he does not want to go, well, there are enough hot Elven rangers, like Lush said ). The thing is, it does not matter all that much where you live, life is in the end more or less what you make of it. And this is exactly why I'd choose to leave a few luxuries behind: like hot water, tv, computer, my cd's, my books (including LOTR!), my skating videos, my X Files episodes... (oh, dear, I already have second thoughts about all this). But no - I know that I could never ever resist the temptation of experiencing what that world is like. The curiosity and excitement would kill me if I didn't go, even anticipating the hardships I'd possibly meet!

But - Child, a question: wouldn't it be difficult for us not to 'divulge' our real identities and where we come from? It'd be a right 'culture clash'. Or are we to be brainwashed once we get there?
Gee, I'm actually taking all this seriously. Go figure.

[Araréiel]

That's just it-it's a fantasy world, and I'd want to be a part of it. I can leave behind me almost everything. I'm connected to only two people in this world, both of them feeling the way I do. None of us are rooted to Earth. My family disowned me for not being able to prevent a death I wasn't even there for, my boyfriend's family disowned him because his brother landed in jail while living with his mom-my boyfriend's ex-stepmom. And his daughter is so young. TVs and computers and modern things matter nothing to us. A great escape is to go to the woods to get away from everything. Go camping, hunt our own food. The only thing we would need is matches since I never got down the hang of starting fire without matches. It's hard, but relaxing, and I once did it for 5 weeks. Pitched a simple tent so I could see the stars, dug a latrine many yards away, made a cooking area, prayed no wild animal would eat me while I slept (that's how deep woods I go-there are bears and mountain lions). It was hard work, but relaxing. And really, I missed nothing about home. To go jump naked (or nearly) into a cold stream after a hot day is such a thrill, and to sing while walking among the trees. To appreciate the beauty in such simple things as the veins of a leaf without people calling me weird and mental is such a rarity I only experience in nature. It's liberation that can only be felt when I disconnect myself even more than usual from what's around me.

I could so easily walk away from my life here that it's almost frightening. I could be a butterfly and just set off, leaving behind me all the meaningless things I own. All that matters to me is the one I love, and the little one I love. If my family doesn't want me, I don't care to be around them either. Would I miss the stapler on my desk? No. Would I miss the ocean? They have waters in ME.

Seriously I have thought about putting together a retreat for a week for people who want to go live for seven days in Middle Earth on Earth. In character, costume, everything. An escape. I've got most of it planned out and written, just not the location. We may invest in some property, a parcel that's 360 acres and untouched, that would be perfect to set up like ME for a place to retreat once a year or more with other people who want to get away. It sounds crazy, but so is regular life, and it's so mice to dream about getting away from everything, or even to plan the day I can make it happen. I wouldn't think twice about going left.

[Rilwen Gamgee]

No matter how much half of me longs to turn left, I'm going to get up and walk through the right door. Why? Yes, through that left door there are wide open fields, mysterious forests, ancient towers, ents, and the option to go running barefoot as I please, but who would I share it with? As I read Child's opening post, I began scanning through the list in my mind of who to bring along. "Mom? Dad? My sister? Which friend?" If someone dear to me walked into Middle-earth with me, the thought of leaving the rest of them behind would haunt me forever. So, I will happily climb out of bed, and enter the world where Hobbits, Elves, Dwarves, and others only exist on that little section of shelf in my room where I keep my Tolkien books.

[Encaitare]

Left, without a doubt. I'd do it in a second, and then become a minstrel in the courts of Gondor... or something like that. As long as I can take my family and closest friends with me it'll be great.

[Morsul the Dark]

I would go left and go to live in hobbiton or Bree bacause I'd fit in more and I'd bring My best friend with me because he knows nothing and we must teach him! he didn't even know there was a hobbiton

[Laitoste]

After more thought, and after the experiences of my most recent trip, I would stay here. There's so much that needs to be done here! While I may not be happy in my current location (I never should have visited Wyoming. It's too much like my old home in Idaho, and I miss the mountains and sagebrush and desert There's too many people in Wisconsin, and too many trees), I wouldn't leave my family or my home behind.

[Diamond18]

... and too many trees

I guess you wouldn't be settling in Fangorn or Mirkwood then, eh?

[Isowen]

hmmmm....tough one but I think I'd go for the door on the left. Too may problems in "the real world" plus I love Middle-earth and it would be great to meet Gandalf and the rest of the company of the ring. I think I would do as Gollum did and wonder around Middle-Earth for 75 years or so, just so I could see everyhting. I'm not sure who I would take. I think I'd rather just go by myself! I couldn't live without my laptop though, because then how would I get onto this forum?!?!

[Child of the 7th Age]

It's been a long time since this thread was dredged up. I always enjoy seeing what newer posters say or if anyone has changed their mind.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

hmmm my main consern would be if the persons I took with me to ME would want to leave this world. . . I cannot make my mind up! argh curse you Child, you have made my brain hurt.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

hmmm my main consern would be if the persons I took with me to ME would want to leave this world. . . I cannot make my mind up! argh curse you Child, you have made my brain hurt.

As long as you pick Barrow-Downers, that should be a non-concern.

[Child of the 7th Age]

And with regards to living on ME, I'd love to teach side by side with Child...It's a great thing to do.

Sounds good! How do you feel about teaching hobbit children? And let's do a good job--not make them hate the stuff that's really great, but too many teachers seem to take the heart out of it. Let's see. We'd want to teach them the heritage of the Red Book, how to read Westron, some basic math they'd need to tend their farms and families. Also, stuff relating to their own Shire and families--maybe let them tell us about their family histories and, of course, local flora and fauna. And we'll have days for Elf Appreciation, Ent Appreciation, etc. Sounds like it could be fun.

[NyteSky]

i had a dream a lot like that. very realistic. i chose to go to the other world. and it wasn't even ME. How did Sam put it? "i would dearly love to see elves" something like that. and i'd take whatever friends that would be willing to go. a certain elf and hobbit come to mind...

[Auriel Haevasawen]

I would go to ME. I would be a traveller, a little like a female ranger (I was a forest warden once it was the best job I ever had but I never carried a bow or sword and had to pick up other people's rubbish). I would drink in the Prancing Pony, ride to Rivendell and spend time conversing with the elves, sit on the grass outside Bag End and listen to Sam, Bilbo and Frodo, I would explore Mirkwood and learn archery from Legolas and I would spend the winter with my good friends Faramir and Eowyn in the White city. As you can see I have spent many years considering this very question. I would take no person with me but I'd need to wear my silver rings and stuff because they are a part of me.
Sorry if anyone reading this is now a little spooked. I am quite normal, I'm just a dreamer.

[Neferchoirwen]

About teaching, I was watching Oprah this morning, and her show had something to do with education. He guest says that each child has a different wiring on his or her brain, and that it is cruel to kick kids out of school just because their brains work different from the others.

When you said something about not making the kids hate the great stuff, I remembered what I just watched.

Yeah, teaching hobbit children would be great. My post about destiny now makes me believe that if ever there WAS a portal leading to ME with my choice whether or not I would go, I believe that my destiny to ME would be to educate the future of ME!

Sounds exciting, Child. I hope a portal would appear in my room tonight...

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[Child of the 7th Age]

...each kid has a different wiring on his or her brain, and it is cruel to kick kids out of school just because their wiring is different...

I can certainly identify with what you're saying. I have a daughter who is extremely talented in things like gymnastics and piano and has a loving pesonality, but she finds language a challenge. She is the exact opposite of me--I love and feel comfortable with words but am physially and visually inept. We had her tested and found out she has an "auditory processing disorder." We had to search and search for the right school to make sure she would get the education she needed and also feel good about herself and learning. Fortunately, we found such a school and she's very happy.

She is also left-handed and quite creative. She is the one other person in our family besides myself who seems to have an absolute radar and understanding for hobbits, elves, and Middle-earth. (I know she would go left through the portal!) So, children who aren't strong in one area can be very gifted in another.

Yes, it would be challenging and fun to be a teacher in a place like Middle-earth. You'd have to be very careful to respect their culture and not try and remake them into something they're not (turning hobbits into elves or some such nonsense which could be a real temptation.) Anyways, if you see any stray portals, let me know. sharon, the 7th age hobbit

I would go left. And for only one reason. ADVENTURE. I want to go on an adventure and help people and be someone. In Middle-Earth it seems that you can do that. On Earth you'll end up in the middle of nowhere in TX with no adventure at all. In middle-earth everything and every place you go you meet elves, dwarves etc. so, left it is for me. how bout u guys?

May it be an evening star shines down upon you?
May it be when darkness falls your heart will be true?
You walk a lonely walk
Oh how far you are from home
May it be the shadow's call will fly away?
May it be a journey on to light the day?
When the night is all gone
You may rise to find the sun

[Neferchoirwen]

hey Child! You teach kids? I've got an aunt and cousins living there, and she teaches, too. Was just hoping that maybe you might have met her. I'll try to remember where she teaches...

[Neferchoirwen]

hey Child! You teach kids? I've got an aunt and cousins living there, and she teaches, too. Was just hoping that maybe you might have met her. I'll try to remember where she teaches...

[Olo Gamwich]

I would sit in the interdemensional portal...waiting and thinking, throwing a tennis ball up against the wall...waiting and thinking. And once I've made up my mind which door to go in I will go in the opposite door of the one I chose, for sitting and waiting in the room forever will have messed up my mind to the point where I will make a stupid decision.
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[Aosama, the Wandering Star]

Not even hard at all! I've been spending every spare waking moment since I read LOTR thinking about ME, imagining myself there. So now, I'll never give up a chance to actually go there!!!
I'd have to take along my older sister, even though she is annoyed by me (a lot), because she would want to go on adventures with me. Which is what I would do.
I'd probably go to the Shire first, then work my way to Bree, Rivendell, the Misty Mountains, Rohan, Gondor, to Ithilien. No Mordor for me! (unless, o'course, I had to destroy an evil ring...)

[Neferchoirwen]

Olo, I think I know what you mean...I've done something similar---but I was still in high school then. Nevertheless, I know what you mean.
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[TheWindsorStar]

Now this is actually pretty hard. For one, if I went to the left, I'd be leaving behind a lot of things. Also, ME isn't exactly the safest place. But neither is our world. And let's just assume you'd be able to speak the language.

I'd go to the left for these reasons:

1. Obviously, I'd want to live in ME
2. It wouldn't be hard for me to pick which people I'd bring with me
3. Staying as a human wouldn't be an issue
4. It's much nicer there, and much less polluted
5. The gender thing wouldn't be an issue. I'm not big on real political correctness, nor am I much of a feminest. Tolkien didn't really write his females as being less superior to men anyway.
6. Even if there was a chance of me being killed, I'd go. It'd be better than turning down such a chance. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[Enedhil]

Windsor, I agree with you - like I always say, bring back the horse and cart! much less pollution!!

And as for being killed - rather it were by a sword or arrow than living in fear of a nuclear war, or any war with the weapons we have these days.

Staying a human no problem, perhaps I could work in the gardens or in the house of healing. whilst writing music and poetry in my spare time, God this life sounds too good to be true....

..oh wait, it is too good to be true... [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

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[Child of the 7th Age]

This was a fun question, and I thought I'd pull it up again, since we have a number of new posters.

By the way, I'm still going left! Only now, I'll have to make sure some of my friends from the Downs are with me as well as my family and closest friends here! Actually, the ones from the Downs would be the most helpful since they know something about the world we'd be visiting.

I'd have to give my husband a crash course in LotR, although he has seen the movie twice (because his wife insisted).

sharon, the 7th age hobbit

[*Varda*]

Well, when I first read the question, I thought LEFT! without a doubt!

But then I sat and thought about it some more. Think about what you'd be giving up. Sure, this world is a crappy place in many ways. But even so - you'd be leaving many people you loved behind, you'd never see them again. It would be a major culture shock and who's to say you would actually fit in when you got there. How long could you realistically survive without proper sanitation, computers, tv etc. I know many say 'hey, that'd be easy!'. It could be different once you were there. You'd always be wondering what was going on in this world. You'd never know what happened to your family and friends that didn't come with you. And add to that Middle Earth was slowly fading away...the elves were fast disappearing.

But if you didn't go...you would be forever wondering what would have happened, what could have been. All those what if's. What would life have been like. You could have left this shallow material world and been in a far more beautiful world where appearances didn't seem to matter so much. You could have been a part of that history.

So, after all that, I still don't know. If I could be an elf (therefore being able to go to Aman, live forever etc.) and if I could take all my family and all my friends - I would go left. But what if you couldn't place conditions? I think I would stay here. But then I'd always feel regretful.

But as was previously said, if a portal just opened up, I would think it must have done for a reason. There would be some reason I should go to Middle Earth. But if my friends and family didn't want to come - I don't know if I could go alone and leave my whole life behind me.

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[Artilien]

Good question...
I wouldn't go left. not that i dont want to go to middle earth - i would love to. but not to live there. i cant use weapon, i cant do anything that would help me survive in ME. And I wouldn't like to go to ME alone. if I would go, I would ask only a few people to go with me. but I can't just take my friends away from this world and away from their friends and family. so i would go right.

[The-Elf-Herself]

As much as I like ME, I wouldn't be able to go there permanently. This would entail me leaving behind three cockatiels, two basset hounds, and a mouse who are my responsibility(and whom I love very much). Furthermore, I also happen to enjoy certain modern conviences, including sanitation, computers, CDs, etc. Maybe I could give these up, but for what? Realistically, I would be out there alone, with limited training in swordmanship(fencing anyone?). I wouldn't be able to pursue the occupation I wished(veterinarians in ME? I don't think so). If I'm not mistaken, women did not have the job/life opportunities in ME that they have today. In addition, I am very close to my family, yet I wouldn't be able to take them with me; I know that they would be miserable in such conditions. Hmmm. Maybe I could take a vacation in ME? As an elf from the Grey Havens. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[Rimbaud]

You give yourself no credit for your inherent adaptability. Additionally, you assume that entry into ME would necessitate skill in combat. The majority of the inhabitants of ME lived in relative peace. A very small percentage of the total population went on quests to destroy Rings or overthrow evil angels. As Child postulated earlier...if you can survive rural environs on this planet (which I have little doubt you could) then you could survive a faux-medieval existence in ME.

This is not to deny that prior experience of handling a sword or more likely a hoe, or a plough, would be useful, but such things can be learned. The human being is an peculiarly adaptable tool.

[Raefindel]

Boy I avoided this question when it was origionally posted. I just couldn't decide.

To be honest with you I don't think I'd go to ME. At least not in my current circumstances. I don't think my kids could handle going there. At least, one would have trouble with it, anyway.

And I don't think Eru would give me the choice in these circumstances. If I were to loose my family (God forbid) I can see the offer being made.

In THOSE circumstances; ABSOLUTELY! I'd go. And I'd bring my Mother-in-law with me! I'd love to see that woman try to do dishes & laundry without hot running water! HAHAHA! She can't hang a picture without help! HAHAHA! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

[Child of the 7th Age]

Let's give this a try again and see what some of the new folk think.

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sharon

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[Darby]

Oh, this would be a hard one. The thing is, I couldn't leave Earth without my family. But I couldn't go ripping my husband and children out of their world without their permission, either.
So, my response to the voice would have to be, "I need to discuss it with my husband."
Well, the story would probably end right there, but let's assume my husband suddenly appears in the portal beside me.
Knowing him, he'd have some questions for the voice.
1. Where and when precisely will we be appearing in Middle Earth? The third age was very long, and we don't want to live in say, the Southlands.
2. What will be our means of support?
3. How will we earn a living?
4. What about medical care?
5. Can we speak the language?
6. Will we be able to read the writing?
7. What will our position in society be?
A quote from my husband, "I am not so unhappy with the comforts of my life here, that I would give them up for the dubious pleasure of being a swineherd in the Southlands of Middle Earth, shortly fated to become a miserable refugee or impressed into the armies of darkness."
I think I agree with him. I'd be really really sorry to miss out on the chance to see Middle Earth, but I can't risk the lives of my family.

My fantasy? That I'd get to escape there all by myself for a limited period of time, and when I came back not a minute would have passed here and I wouldn't have aged at all. (Like visiting Narnia.)
My other fantasy? To be able to step into the mind and body of a particular character and play through the book like it was really happening. I'd probably pick Merry or Pippen, though I waffle on which one I'd rather follow through the books.

[Olorin]

I would go left in a heartbeat. I just wish I could become one of the elves. I would probably live in Rivendell because it's so beautiful and they allow men. However, if for some reason, like I couldn't find Rivendell, I would probably live in Bree. It just seems nice there.

I'll go to the left for here isn't much loved in this life.I have suffered much and if I had such chance,I would never go back.
And would take my Mellon,Jeff with... if he would follow me.Aphado nin(follow me) towards Lothlorien,Caras Galadhon... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie]

Thank you Child of the 7th Age for bringing your thread back from the dead. (no more rhyming for me)

Well, my decision would be completely without regret. I know which world I belong in. I know that there are plenty of opportunities waiting for me around the corner and so much to see and do and know and hear and smell and taste and feel. Which is why I would choose right. I would think back on my decision and I would feel warm inside and smile.

I could not leave this life, no matter how great Middle-earth is. There are plenty of things I would like to do there, like visit Tom Bombadil and question his enigmatic brains out. Or to try the beer there or go on numerous adventures into mountains or caves. Not to mention relaxing in the Shire and other peaceful places and visiting Ithilien. But is it worth it to permenantly leave your life? There are to many people I know in my life that I could not leave. There is so much to do in this world. I could not bring everyone I wanted to ME and even if I were allowed to, who's to say they would come? And I think it's just plain selfish to make people choose to leave the life they love permenantly just to make you happy.

I could not do without the music we have in this world. I could not do without the places I love to go. And there are so many more people yet to meet. I don't think of not choosing to go to ME as a missed chance and something to regret, I think of not living the rest of my life in this world as something to regret and a missed chance.

I don't know whether I believe we are put in this world for a purpose. I don't like the idea of destiny or purposes either, so I like to think that we are born to live our lives freely and it is me who shapes, plans, and lives my life and that it is becuase of my decisions and choices that my life ends the way it will. So, I don't believe that if the door to ME is there it is there for a reason and that we have to (or should) choose it. Why not just think of this choice as a challenge or a test by some greater form of life and that we are asked to continue to live in our world for a purpose? And then would you choose to stay?

On Earth you'll end up in the middle of nowhere in TX with no adventure at all. In middle-earth everything and every place you go you meet elves, dwarves etc.

What's the difference? You are "in the middle of nowhere in TX with no adventure at all" because you choose to be. You would leave that life all behind, permenantly, in an instant, where you can go seek adventure in ME, but in reality, you refuse to leave it all behind, permenantly, and go seek adventure in this world? That's madness! If people are so needy of adventure why don't they go and seek it? Because they don't want to leave behind their life with their family and friends? Then why would the choose to go to ME? They would leave their life then. At least in this world, you can always come back.

And who's to say you would meet dwarves and elves at every place you go? You might end up in Bree stuck farming for a living saying "I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere in Eriador with no adventure at all."

for here isn't much loved in this life.I have suffered much and if I had such chance,I would never go back.

Amanfalath, can you honestly say you would not regret permenantly leaving this life? If you have suffered, time can always heal suffering. And who's to say you won't suffer in ME? Everyone must suffer in life. Suffering is a part of life but it is not the only thing. There is much you can look forward to in this life.

Your decision is up to you, but I just can't see why some of you would choose left. I was born in this world and that's where I belong. I love it and I cannot leave it.

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[peonydeepdelver]

I would no doubt go- "Remember, all I am offering is the truth..." ...er, yeah, um, left. I'd bring along none of my school buds since they despise the books so. But I would bring my best friend Ivy and her cousin Charleigh since for Halloween we all went as hobbits (I was Merry, Charleigh was Pippin, and Ivy was Frodo). And I'd bring my dog if that was allowed, and if I could I'd bring Bearito, the pony I ride at my riding lessons (who is also the only pony there that actually listens to me when I tell him to do stuff [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] ).
Then we'd all go to live in either Bree with the hobbits (Nob! YAY!), or Rohan if it's before the Uruk-Hai are created. That Westfold level in the TTT game for Playstation 2 has me kinda freaked about the Uruks coming and setting everything on fire and stuff. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] Or maybe I'd convince the Rohirrim to let me join their little army. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

[Darby]

Grounds Keeper Willie, you're my hero! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]
I really hadn't thought beyond my responsibilities to my family, but you've stated how I feel very well. I *would* regret never being able to see ME, but only in the sense that I've always wondered what it looks like and maybe other people will see it and I won't. So, I can't really say a choice like this would make me feel particularly warm inside. More like an anguished, "But I can't!"
But you are sooo right about all the wonder and adventure right here in THIS world. I love living, and I hope I get to live a very long time so I can see as big a part of the story as I possibly can. When my great grandmother was born, there were no cars in our driveways. When I was born there were no computers in our homes. What will our lives look like when I'm 60? When I'm 100? What kind of cool new toys will there be? What kind of history will we make? What tragedies, what triumphs, what wonders?
Hmm... If I had to go to ME permanently, I'd miss all that. And then I'd regret THAT choice. For me, I don't think there IS a choice without any regret, but I'd get over it pretty quick if I stayed in this world. All I'd have to do is think about my mother (who would NOT be happy in ME away from her books and her students), and my children, and my in-laws, and all the people who would miss us terribly because we couldn't possibly take them with us.
My dd is scheduled to have a few surgeries over the next few years. It's not a life-threatening condition, but it's something we could not treat in ME. Would it be fair to her, to uproot her and deny her that medical treatment? What about the fact that she'll need new glasses this fall?
Yep, you're right. Thanks for reminding me! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Edit - something rather horrible just occurred to me as I was thinking further on GKW's post. Usually the only way you can leave THIS Earth permanently is by dying. What if the doors aren't actually doors between this world and ME, but doors between Life and Death? What happens after death? Is it any stretch to think you might continue your existance in a place like ME, when the major world religions seriously believe in things like Heaven and Reincarnation and Transmigration of the Soul and whatnot?
In which case, it's rather appalling to think of taking anyone with you, and completely awful to think of leaving them behind.
You may *think* you're in a mysterious place with two doors in front of you, but in actual fact you're in a hospital bed somewhere because you and most of your loved ones were caught in a gas line explosion, and now it's up to YOU whether they live and die.
Eeek! [img]smilies/redface.gif[/img]

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