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**lindil** · 07-28-2000, 10:54 AM

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Re: When Elves are slain... (Glorfindel)

It is indeed one of many issues that must be looked at interms of coming to a new Silm canon[s].
One of the very last things JRRT wrote on was the issue of glorfindel and his reincarnation .
THis writing is in The Peoples of Middle-Earth
[HoME XII] ch.13
In short all elves who are slain then go to the halls of mandos ,there stay is long or short depending on their understanding and harmony w/ their kindred.Some such as feanor will prob not be released till the End.Others such as Finrod and Glorfindel -because of their self-sacrificing righteousness stayed but briefly it seems.JRRT dismissed the idea of Elvish reincarnation to new parents and settled [I believe] on an elf reincarating in a new body generated by the memory of his fea[spirit/soul] of its incarnation.this is essentially the same sort of idea that is held in orthodox forms of Christianity{Tolkiensown Catholic church , the Orthodox Church and the theCoptics} about how the physical body will "reincarnate" in a purified version of one's own Body at the End of Time, no matter when and how one has died.
Elves would usually do this sooner since JRRT concieved of them as having a closer relationship to creation than Men, who were destined to live outside the confines of the world[the gift of Men].
much of this is in Finwe and Miriel and Finrod and Andreth [home vol. X].
I don't believe it was in the silmarillion because CRRT did not include any of the speculative or full scale narrartive's of the later periods of his father's life/writings. Some of JRRT's thoughts on it have been known since the publication of the Letters in 1981?

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07-28-2000, 10:54 AM	#2
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit Posts: 0</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: When Elves are slain... (Glorfindel) It is indeed one of many issues that must be looked at interms of coming to a new Silm canon[s]. One of the very last things JRRT wrote on was the issue of glorfindel and his reincarnation . THis writing is in The Peoples of Middle-Earth [HoME XII] ch.13 In short all elves who are slain then go to the halls of mandos ,there stay is long or short depending on their understanding and harmony w/ their kindred.Some such as feanor will prob not be released till the End.Others such as Finrod and Glorfindel -because of their self-sacrificing righteousness stayed but briefly it seems.JRRT dismissed the idea of Elvish reincarnation to new parents and settled [I believe] on an elf reincarating in a new body generated by the memory of his fea[spirit/soul] of its incarnation.this is essentially the same sort of idea that is held in orthodox forms of Christianity{Tolkiensown Catholic church , the Orthodox Church and the theCoptics} about how the physical body will "reincarnate" in a purified version of one's own Body at the End of Time, no matter when and how one has died. Elves would usually do this sooner since JRRT concieved of them as having a closer relationship to creation than Men, who were destined to live outside the confines of the world[the gift of Men]. much of this is in Finwe and Miriel and Finrod and Andreth [home vol. X]. I don't believe it was in the silmarillion because CRRT did not include any of the speculative or full scale narrartive's of the later periods of his father's life/writings. Some of JRRT's thoughts on it have been known since the publication of the Letters in 1981? </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.