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**lindil** · 03-01-2001, 07:16 AM

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creative writing

OK - I know I am not supposed to be posting till Sat. but I will rest easier , I hope having said my bit.

Oh and by the way Red - the Silmarillion hasn't just been written -it has been written about 6 - 10 times! <img src=smile.gif ALT="

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Back to business.

Gwaihir, I propose [as 1 member of the project to another] as a solution to the creative writing issue - that you make 2 [or more ] versions of your sections ,[or anything you want to put your hand to] the one you post here could [I would say should] be the one that has only JRRT's words from Silm, UT and HoME. THe other version[s] , can be posted here [in their own thread or elsewhere as Gwaihir's Silm or whatever you like.

I apologize for belaboring this point , but I think Mithadan will agree, when Saulotus ,sent his drafts around and he and Mithadan and I began this,the principle of no additions to JRRT's work one of the few things we were all crystal clear on.
As a ray of hope let me out line the posible outcomes of our work .Which if agreed upon by the group allow at a future date full scope for your creative urges.
I will attach it to my outline at some point.

the following is a rough outline of possible outcomes which could flow from a new canon of the Silmarillion

1> We [those of us at the Silm project here at the B'downs] work on drafts and outlines of the Silm here, doing enough work tobe able to show the flavor and vision of the project.
2> we send it or notice of it far and wide over the internet [legally iffy I know - Mithadan any professional advice ?] possibly w/ anonymous safeguards.
3>A larger group that can work faster than 2 sections of a chapter per season forms <img src=smile.gif ALT="

"> and spends an indefinite amount of time hashing out an insanely large # of details, and then begins on one or several fronts:
I. Non-MT- Flat World Version

A.This as I am hypothesizing would have no non published words/ideas/phrases/sentences /etc.
B. One using Creative Writing [or inspired forgery] as CRT did to attempt to fill out in a tolkienesque way the gaps inthe story esp. in the chapterson Turin,Gondolin and the Ruin Doriath
C. the resultant commitee can also be arbiter for 'official-unathorized Fan- fiction'. Meaning since there is no [as yet] Lucas Books wing of the Tolkien estate overseeingthe codification and further creation of writings of ME; we create an underground one that by shear #'s ,quality of work [I hope] and warmth of community [I really hope] , becomes an established fact.Maybe an official one prob not. But a functional and organized one at least.This fan-fiction would all have to be integrated both w/ the Canon of LotR/hobbit/RGEO and co. and the 'Canon' of the NewSilm. and most importantly w/ each of the other stories.

II.MT- Round World Version
repeat as above w/
A. being the 'drafts' of JRRT of an MT version and final text [mostly from I. above as it is adaptable].
B. as above , but far more abundantly.

III. Fan fiction -'authorized' by " the Commitee for the Expansion of Middle-Earth"
or some such

So hopefully by spelling out this pipedream [ I have alluded to it before - but never laid it out], I give a clear picture of my personal view of the posibilities of :
A - this project
B - my thoughts on the scope and place of and for creative writing
C - the problems w/ it being introduced at this phase
D - a vision of integrated fan -fiction

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Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowowns<u> Silmarillion canon , theories and discussion Forum </u> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>

03-01-2001, 07:16 AM	#11
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 434</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> creative writing OK - I know I am not supposed to be posting till Sat. but I will rest easier , I hope having said my bit. Oh and by the way Red - the Silmarillion hasn't just been written -it has been written about 6 - 10 times! <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> Back to business. Gwaihir, I propose [as 1 member of the project to another] as a solution to the creative writing issue - that you make 2 [or more ] versions of your sections ,[or anything you want to put your hand to] the one you post here could [I would say should] be the one that has only JRRT's words from Silm, UT and HoME. THe other version[s] , can be posted here [in their own thread or elsewhere as Gwaihir's Silm or whatever you like. I apologize for belaboring this point , but I think Mithadan will agree, when Saulotus ,sent his drafts around and he and Mithadan and I began this,the principle of no additions to JRRT's work one of the few things we were all crystal clear on. As a ray of hope let me out line the posible outcomes of our work .Which if agreed upon by the group allow at a future date full scope for your creative urges. I will attach it to my outline at some point. the following is a rough outline of possible outcomes which could flow from a new canon of the Silmarillion 1> We [those of us at the Silm project here at the B'downs] work on drafts and outlines of the Silm here, doing enough work tobe able to show the flavor and vision of the project. 2> we send it or notice of it far and wide over the internet [legally iffy I know - Mithadan any professional advice ?] possibly w/ anonymous safeguards. 3>A larger group that can work faster than 2 sections of a chapter per season forms <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> and spends an indefinite amount of time hashing out an insanely large # of details, and then begins on one or several fronts: I. Non-MT- Flat World Version A.This as I am hypothesizing would have no non published words/ideas/phrases/sentences /etc. B. One using Creative Writing [or inspired forgery] as CRT did to attempt to fill out in a tolkienesque way the gaps inthe story esp. in the chapterson Turin,Gondolin and the Ruin Doriath C. the resultant commitee can also be arbiter for 'official-unathorized Fan- fiction'. Meaning since there is no [as yet] Lucas Books wing of the Tolkien estate overseeingthe codification and further creation of writings of ME; we create an underground one that by shear #'s ,quality of work [I hope] and warmth of community [I really hope] , becomes an established fact.Maybe an official one prob not. But a functional and organized one at least.This fan-fiction would all have to be integrated both w/ the Canon of LotR/hobbit/RGEO and co. and the 'Canon' of the NewSilm. and most importantly w/ each of the other stories. II.MT- Round World Version repeat as above w/ A. being the 'drafts' of JRRT of an MT version and final text [mostly from I. above as it is adaptable]. B. as above , but far more abundantly. III. Fan fiction -'authorized' by " the Commitee for the Expansion of Middle-Earth" or some such So hopefully by spelling out this pipedream [ I have alluded to it before - but never laid it out], I give a clear picture of my personal view of the posibilities of : A - this project B - my thoughts on the scope and place of and for creative writing C - the problems w/ it being introduced at this phase D - a vision of integrated fan -fiction <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowowns<u> Silmarillion canon , theories and discussion Forum </u> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.