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**lindil** · 08-24-2001, 08:11 AM

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Re: Bye Bye Balrogs

jallanite posted:Where does one stop on the slippery slope of making
minimal emendations and writing fan fiction? I don't really
like reducing the party of Balrogs with bows and slings to
one Balrog with a bow, however much I like the effect of
the tale that is produced. Should I have made them two,
one with bow and one with sling, and then had one slain?
That would be more difficult to accomplish.

lindil:I [in certain moods- to use J's apt phrase] favor a "if it can't be used after updating the names and eliminating old concepts - then don't use it" model, due to the very question jallanite raises in the above quote.

The Fall of Gondolin has proven to be far more complex than i ever dreamed, even from the relative sidelines, and much of this is due to the complexity of the ideas contained in the story, [Balrogs, various types of Dragons, old and new Elvish , etc.] but it has been compounded by a relatively liberal editing scheme that let's us cotemplate replacing 3 balrogs w/ whips and bows w/ varying numbers andcombinations of B's w/ varying combinations of weapons.
I am by no means bashing all of the work of aiwendill and jallanite and others, just pointing out the dilemna that J is acknowledging as having it's roots in the working principles that allow this much freedom.

I will reread the points brought up Bob W , is there a reason you can't post it directly Bob? lost file or somesuch?
Waiting for H-I to post it [or not] is a little bizarre [ and sorry if a reason was put forward earlier I missed]. After all we have a Silmarillion to edit <img src=wink.gif ALT="

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08-24-2001, 08:11 AM	#1
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 694</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Bye Bye Balrogs jallanite posted:Where does one stop on the slippery slope of making minimal emendations and writing fan fiction? I don't really like reducing the party of Balrogs with bows and slings to one Balrog with a bow, however much I like the effect of the tale that is produced. Should I have made them two, one with bow and one with sling, and then had one slain? That would be more difficult to accomplish. lindil:I [in certain moods- to use J's apt phrase] favor a "if it can't be used after updating the names and eliminating old concepts - then don't use it" model, due to the very question jallanite raises in the above quote. The Fall of Gondolin has proven to be far more complex than i ever dreamed, even from the relative sidelines, and much of this is due to the complexity of the ideas contained in the story, [Balrogs, various types of Dragons, old and new Elvish , etc.] but it has been compounded by a relatively liberal editing scheme that let's us cotemplate replacing 3 balrogs w/ whips and bows w/ varying numbers andcombinations of B's w/ varying combinations of weapons. I am by no means bashing all of the work of aiwendill and jallanite and others, just pointing out the dilemna that J is acknowledging as having it's roots in the working principles that allow this much freedom. I will reread the points brought up Bob W , is there a reason you can't post it directly Bob? lost file or somesuch? Waiting for H-I to post it [or not] is a little bizarre [ and sorry if a reason was put forward earlier I missed]. After all we have a Silmarillion to edit <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> . <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=000000e Creation of a Revised Silmarillion</a> Lindil's Tolkien/Christian discussion board<a href="http://pub72.ezboard.com/bosanwe" >Osanwe</a>, http://pub41.ezboard.com/btarostineruhirTar Ost-in-Eruhir</A>. 'In the begining was the Word. And the Word was with God.And the Word is God'. </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.