** Fall of Gondolin Section 3 Structure**

[Findegil]

Posted by Aiwendil:

But by choosing not to put this element back in, we are not simply rejecting it. I think that our account could be taken as simply omitting mention of the first part of Ulmo's counsel. This seems a safer course than putting in a slightly dubious bit. However, if the general opinion is that our version as it stands does not leave room for that interpretation, then I think a very good case could be made for putting in Ulmo's first piece of advice.

Agreed.

Posted by Aiwendil:

But is not the next to the last paragraph of the chapter 'Of Maeglin' in the '77 from the late work on Maeglin by JRRT? There it is said that Maeglin's desire for Idril is an 'evil fruit of the Kinslaying'

Sorry I missed that one and its source alltogether. In view of this I agree to leave the element out.

But in my view that means that the passage of Laws and customs was entierly rejected. I don't think that Tar-Elenion is right. Laws and customs said that the parents of eitherside that were not related must be 'far sundered in kin' not the one related. It is right that Arwen and Aragorn were first-cousins but they were severaltimes removed. And I don't think that was meant here. In addition their parents on the not related side were not akin at all.
But here is still some need for thought: When we reject that passage in Laws and customs we will deny the possibilty of Celeborn being Teleporno a grandson of Olwe. But that problem does not belong here.

Respectfully
Findegil