Why are the Vanyar higher than the Noldor? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

**lindil** · 03-03-2003, 09:42 PM

I will concede maedhros' point [from the other Vanyar thread?] that the Noldor 'tied Morgoth up' for what 500 years or so. But at what cost, and what level of success?

Every single community in Beleriand was decimated in whole or part excepting Cirdan's.

Maedhros earlier tried to defend the 2nd and 3rd kinslayings by saying 'we warned you', well how about offering something for the return of the Silmarill, since they did didly to get it back, excepting Celegorm and Curufin who actively hindered the quest!

How about an offer of jewels, or weapons or everlasting friendship? Anything! Sorry, the kinslayings, over an OBJECT is pitiful.

Yes they had sworn an evil and foolish oath, but 'less evil would they have done in the breaking'.

03-03-2003, 09:42 PM	#13
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	I will concede maedhros' point [from the other Vanyar thread?] that the Noldor 'tied Morgoth up' for what 500 years or so. But at what cost, and what level of success? Every single community in Beleriand was decimated in whole or part excepting Cirdan's. Maedhros earlier tried to defend the 2nd and 3rd kinslayings by saying 'we warned you', well how about offering something for the return of the Silmarill, since they did didly to get it back, excepting Celegorm and Curufin who actively hindered the quest! How about an offer of jewels, or weapons or everlasting friendship? Anything! Sorry, the kinslayings, over an OBJECT is pitiful. Yes they had sworn an evil and foolish oath, but 'less evil would they have done in the breaking'. __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.