Magic vs. Power - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Salocin · 03-29-2003, 09:31 AM

Exactly. When ever I have been citing Beorn as an example of a sorceror or of learned magic I have been refering to the powers he had besides skin changing. I agree that skin changing is an inherent (and probably inheretable) ability, but I still think he had other powers that we are not told about. I think he learned these as a magician. Does any one else find it strange that Beorn arives in the nick of time at the Battle of Five Armies? How did he even know the battle was going on? I see one of two possibilities:
1) The eagles told him on their way (I is still unclear who told the eagles. Many contend it was Radagast, but I don't see why he would know. Another possibility is that an eagle scout (no pun intended) saw it and quickly returned to let Gwaithier know.)

2)He has some sort of magical powers that let him know, either by enchantments, or instinct, or "hearing" it in nature.

I would personaly like to believe the second one. As far as I can see it would make more sense from a time perspective. If the eagles told him they would have done so while they were leaving to go help. He would probably have started imediatly, but even so it would have taken him at least (taking into acout Beserk strength and endurance and the distance he could cover as a humongous bear) 2 days. He arive less than 12 hours after the eagles though, which means he deffenetly heard about it before the eagles did.

All in all, this is my justification for why Beorn should be considered a mortal (and human no less) with magical powers. It is interesting to note that with him their is no possibility of having been bestowed power by Sauron, as is possible with the Wotch King and the Mouth of Sauron. It is also improbable that he could have gained the ability to learn magic from a powerful item as the Witch King may have done.

03-29-2003, 09:31 AM	#32
Salocin Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Zion Posts: 106	Exactly. When ever I have been citing Beorn as an example of a sorceror or of learned magic I have been refering to the powers he had besides skin changing. I agree that skin changing is an inherent (and probably inheretable) ability, but I still think he had other powers that we are not told about. I think he learned these as a magician. Does any one else find it strange that Beorn arives in the nick of time at the Battle of Five Armies? How did he even know the battle was going on? I see one of two possibilities: 1) The eagles told him on their way (I is still unclear who told the eagles. Many contend it was Radagast, but I don't see why he would know. Another possibility is that an eagle scout (no pun intended) saw it and quickly returned to let Gwaithier know.) 2)He has some sort of magical powers that let him know, either by enchantments, or instinct, or "hearing" it in nature. I would personaly like to believe the second one. As far as I can see it would make more sense from a time perspective. If the eagles told him they would have done so while they were leaving to go help. He would probably have started imediatly, but even so it would have taken him at least (taking into acout Beserk strength and endurance and the distance he could cover as a humongous bear) 2 days. He arive less than 12 hours after the eagles though, which means he deffenetly heard about it before the eagles did. All in all, this is my justification for why Beorn should be considered a mortal (and human no less) with magical powers. It is interesting to note that with him their is no possibility of having been bestowed power by Sauron, as is possible with the Wotch King and the Mouth of Sauron. It is also improbable that he could have gained the ability to learn magic from a powerful item as the Witch King may have done. __________________ Christ is Risen!