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Old 06-10-2003, 04:42 PM   #11
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How does the line "nine for mortal men doomed to die" work? because when they had the rings, they lived (well half lived) forever. Or did it mean men are doomed to die unless they have rings? Any ideas?
That refers to the ultimate destiny of humanity to die, the reference is to all humankind.

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I am under the impression that the lines of the Ring Verse, except the line on the Ring itself, were the creations of the elves after the fact, not actually said by Sauron.
That could be. The reference that Gandalf makes to Sauron's actual words is limited to the "One Ring to blah, blah..." quotation.
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