Sarumon and Sauron's War

[Carannillion]

Bill Ferny:
Good point, I agree with you. Saruman only seemed stronger than Gandalf.

The 15 Valar:
My bad. Only 15 in the beginning.

The Great among these spirits the Elves name the Valar, the Powers of Arda, and Men have often called them gods. The Lords of the Valar are seven; and the Valier, the Queens of the Valar, are seven also. (..) Melkor is counted no longer among the Valar, and his name is not spoken upon Earth.

Sil p. 25,26

Tulkas came to Arda before Melkor was expelled. He came later than the others, but to aid them in the struggle against Melkor, meaning Melkor did not "leave" before Tulkas arrived.
(Sil p. 27,28,29).

[ November 24, 2002: Message edited by: Carannillion ]