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Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 07-03-2003, 10:01 AM

I am going to paraphrase because my book is not with me (sneaky girl, gets online at work...), but there is a quote in Chapter 2 of FOTR that conveys basically this:

Someone wearing one of the great rings "does not grow or obtain more life" the life they have is simply stretched over a wearying amount of time. That isn't "eternal life" in the sense of elven immortality, that is "near-perpetual changelessness".

Add this to wrath and domination and you've got a pretty miserable Dwarven Lord, I think, with a lot of foul deeds on his conscience. I think that's negative effect enough, though the Dwarven Lord is unlikely to agree with me.

A purely speculative thought on invisibility and the elven rings. Why would the Celebrimbor feel a need to give the elven rings the power to "insert" the wearer in the "spiritual" world of ME? We see at the Fords of Bruinen, that Glorfindel can freely move in that world, and we are told that the great among the Eldar move in both worlds at once. So that would have been neither a benefit nor a temptation for the forger of the elven rings. It was only the mortals (who often had elf-envy anyway) that Sauron needed to manipulate with this "gift" of invisibility.

Did the elven rings give that "unchangingness" that the mortals' rings gave? This would also be unnecessary for the immortals, and Sauron had no hand in making them. Would a man or hobbit who wore Nenya or Vilya live indefinitely? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] More speculation, I know.

Sophia

[ July 03, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ]

07-03-2003, 10:01 AM	#20
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	I am going to paraphrase because my book is not with me (sneaky girl, gets online at work...), but there is a quote in Chapter 2 of FOTR that conveys basically this: Someone wearing one of the great rings "does not grow or obtain more life" the life they have is simply stretched over a wearying amount of time. That isn't "eternal life" in the sense of elven immortality, that is "near-perpetual changelessness". Add this to wrath and domination and you've got a pretty miserable Dwarven Lord, I think, with a lot of foul deeds on his conscience. I think that's negative effect enough, though the Dwarven Lord is unlikely to agree with me. A purely speculative thought on invisibility and the elven rings. Why would the Celebrimbor feel a need to give the elven rings the power to "insert" the wearer in the "spiritual" world of ME? We see at the Fords of Bruinen, that Glorfindel can freely move in that world, and we are told that the great among the Eldar move in both worlds at once. So that would have been neither a benefit nor a temptation for the forger of the elven rings. It was only the mortals (who often had elf-envy anyway) that Sauron needed to manipulate with this "gift" of invisibility. Did the elven rings give that "unchangingness" that the mortals' rings gave? This would also be unnecessary for the immortals, and Sauron had no hand in making them. Would a man or hobbit who wore Nenya or Vilya live indefinitely? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] More speculation, I know. Sophia [ July 03, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ] __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!