Who knows their trolls? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

***Mister Underhill*** · 10-02-2000, 12:40 PM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/redeye.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who knows their trolls?

The language seems carefully chosen to me.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> "There as the sun westered on the sixth day, and the shadow of Ered Wethrin grew dark, Huor fell pierced with a venomed arrow in his eye..."<hr></blockquote>
The sun westered. Ered Wethrin grew dark. This seems a clear description of sunset.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> I believe that 'Day shall come' had nothing to do with the time of day. It was just his way of saying 'Your time is gonna come.'<hr></blockquote>
Unless you think that the trolls couldn't stand the light of the sun. Then Hurin is crying defiantly that he's going to hold out against these trolls lined up against him until the sun comes up and they're forced to retreat.

Then there seems to be a shift in the battle, to me:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> "...the Orcs grappled him with their hands, which clung to him still though he hewed off their arms; and ever their numbers renewed, until at last he fell buried beneath them."<hr></blockquote>
I think it would take some time to heap up so many Orc corpses around you that you're eventually overcome because you're buried by them. The trolls seem to have either all been killed or else retired by this point.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Thus ended Nirnaeth Arnoediad, as the sun went down beyond the sea.

I think its clear here that the word 'thus' was referring to the capture of Hurin, and after that 'the sun went down'. I can't read this any other way though I have been trying all afternoon. <hr></blockquote>
Personally, I picture in my mind the gates of Angband clanging closed as the sun goes down on the last day, with the laughter of Gothmog echoing from behind the iron doors into the distance. Thus ending the Nirnaeth Arnoediad.

Anyway, this slim, controversial paragraph doesn't seem like conclusive enough evidence for the replay judge to overturn the ruling on the field -- that only Olog-hai are sun-resistant.

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000005>Mister Underhill</A> at: 10/2/00 2:41:49 pm

10-02-2000, 12:40 PM	#11
*Mister Underhill* Dread Horseman Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Behind you! Posts: 2,744	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit Posts: 66</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/redeye.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Who knows their trolls? The language seems carefully chosen to me. <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> "There as the sun westered on the sixth day, and the shadow of Ered Wethrin grew dark, Huor fell pierced with a venomed arrow in his eye..."<hr></blockquote> The sun westered. Ered Wethrin grew dark. This seems a clear description of sunset. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> I believe that 'Day shall come' had nothing to do with the time of day. It was just his way of saying 'Your time is gonna come.'<hr></blockquote> Unless* you think that the trolls couldn't stand the light of the sun. Then Hurin is crying defiantly that he's going to hold out against these trolls lined up against him until the sun comes up and they're forced to retreat. Then there seems to be a shift in the battle, to me: <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> "...the Orcs grappled him with their hands, which clung to him still though he hewed off their arms; and ever their numbers renewed, until at last he fell buried beneath them."<hr></blockquote> I think it would take some time to heap up so many Orc corpses around you that you're eventually overcome because you're buried by them. The trolls seem to have either all been killed or else retired by this point. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Thus ended Nirnaeth Arnoediad, as the sun went down beyond the sea. I think its clear here that the word 'thus' was referring to the capture of Hurin, and after that 'the sun went down'. I can't read this any other way though I have been trying all afternoon. <hr></blockquote> Personally, I picture in my mind the gates of Angband clanging closed as the sun goes down on the last day, with the laughter of Gothmog echoing from behind the iron doors into the distance. Thus ending the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. Anyway, this slim, controversial paragraph doesn't seem like conclusive enough evidence for the replay judge to overturn the ruling on the field -- that only Olog-hai* are sun-resistant. </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000005>Mister Underhill</A> at: 10/2/00 2:41:49 pm