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Kalimac · 12-19-2002, 05:38 PM

GreyIstar, interesting. So my guess was partially right anyway . Actually, come to think of it, Faramir's got a much stronger hand with Denethor the way it's portrayed here. Not just "The Ring cannot help us, or at least, that's what they said and what I felt, so I let them go," but rather "I almost did what you wanted, but I saw *for myself* what the Ring would do to its possessor/realized it was only evil/whatever." Granted, this probably isn't going to cut much ice with Denethor, but it makes Faramir seem a little less of a victim. So it could definitely work in ROTK. But oh, what I would have given to see that wonderful face say "Not if I found it in the highway would I take it..."<P>Diamond, I saw your post after putting this up - you're right, it would have been much better if they'd had him talking about Denethor more (and maybe thrown in a mention of that "your life will be forfeit" clause so we know what he's up against if he DOESN'T take them with him). I once, long ago, went out with a guy whose father was a very, very dominating personality and very Denethor-like in his harshness and his opinions that nothing his son did was ever good enough. It led the guy to do a lot of things to curry favor with him that otherwise he would never have done, AND (which is the point of the personal ramble) he talked about his father CONSTANTLY. If Faramir had mentioned his father twice or three times in the context of bringing the Ring back, we would have known all that we needed to about what he's struggling against and saved his original character a bit.<p>[ December 19, 2002: Message edited by: Kalimac ]

12-19-2002, 05:38 PM	#11
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	GreyIstar, interesting. So my guess was partially right anyway . Actually, come to think of it, Faramir's got a much stronger hand with Denethor the way it's portrayed here. Not just "The Ring cannot help us, or at least, that's what they said and what I felt, so I let them go," but rather "I almost did what you wanted, but I saw for myself what the Ring would do to its possessor/realized it was only evil/whatever." Granted, this probably isn't going to cut much ice with Denethor, but it makes Faramir seem a little less of a victim. So it could definitely work in ROTK. But oh, what I would have given to see that wonderful face say "Not if I found it in the highway would I take it..."<P>Diamond, I saw your post after putting this up - you're right, it would have been much better if they'd had him talking about Denethor more (and maybe thrown in a mention of that "your life will be forfeit" clause so we know what he's up against if he DOESN'T take them with him). I once, long ago, went out with a guy whose father was a very, very dominating personality and very Denethor-like in his harshness and his opinions that nothing his son did was ever good enough. It led the guy to do a lot of things to curry favor with him that otherwise he would never have done, AND (which is the point of the personal ramble) he talked about his father CONSTANTLY. If Faramir had mentioned his father twice or three times in the context of bringing the Ring back, we would have known all that we needed to about what he's struggling against and saved his original character a bit.<p>[ December 19, 2002: Message edited by: Kalimac ] __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.