My list of everything wrong with the movies (Not EE) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

willkill4food · 01-23-2004, 11:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>^just so you know, some of the things that are missing (like the gift giving) are in the EE edition, and had to be cut because of screen time, however Jackson still filmed them and they are still in the movie although, you are right, it would explain a lot and it's not a scene i would have cut, from the Theatrical version eitherno one really is going to remember who elendil is anyways, if they haven't read the book... personally, yes tom bombadil should have been in at least the extendend version, as well as the old forest, but you don't really NEED those parts to understand what's going on..so yeh, time limits call for change, it can't be helpedDwarves going with Bilbo, Jackson probably didn't want to hire another couple actors for such a small part that doesn't really effect the story, and it's not like he completely took out dwarves (however I would have liked to see a bit more of Gloin like in the book)as for "the power of the ring could not be undone" well, really it couldn't. That's why Frodo has to destroy the ring so many years later...As too Celebrimbor, I think PJ is trying to NOT confuse the audience who haven't read the book by throwing too many names at them that aren't going to appear elsewhere in the movie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It really doesnt matter what was filmed, it matters what ends up on screen, and the gift giving scene just adds so much to the trilogy..Elendil just happens to be one of the greatest men ever, and seeing up shout, jump forward and die was a blow to all Tolkien fans, just a few more seconds of him actually fighting hand to hand with Sauron would of made me happy, and if somehow it could of been filmed so that Isildur didnt come off ias an arrogant, foolish, petty man who the only thing he did was cut the ring, then I would of been crying in happyness during that scene...As for the dwarves, I just cant get enough of them, they are just so cute and snuggly with their big beards, axes and 4ft 6 height... "But the power of the Ring could not be undone" makes it sound like even if all of Sauron's forces were destroyed (which they almost were) then still he could not be defeated (which is BS), Sauron was destoryed even before his ring was cut from his hand...In the movies the viewer has no idea that the elven rings are any different, so if maybe just some small reference that the Elven Rings of power were not made by any help from Sauron and his hand never touched them, it would of made more sense to the viewer who is thinking "why are the Elves immune from Sauron?" <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>TTT, I LOVE the scene with the peasants ..personally i thought it a great addition.The woman and children go to helm's deep in the book, so why not in the movie...personally i think having them in it was a GREAT idea, so it's not all battles (which there are already too much of) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The women and children are already there in the book, as Erkenbrand lived in Helms Deep during these dark days...but do we really need to be reminded every 5 minutes that the fate of all of Rohan (women and children included) relies on this battles? I didnt, and I doubt the average viewer really felt anything more than pity for these people...and I barely felt pity (probably because I knew they would win) But again, PJ cut out Saurman's humbling in order to show the faces of his children and some of the acotrs children...not cool... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Elrond's roll is there because he did not approve of Aragorn's and Arwen's relationship. (In the book) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Elrond approved of their relationship, but would only let Arwen marry the King of Gondor and Arnor, for Elrond forsaw that Aragorn would be the last cheif of the dunedain, either he would claim the thrown, or he and his line would disappear...he was just adding in a little incentive for Aragorn... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Personally i liked the elves at helms deep, however they shouldn't be there if he was being true to the book, which he wasn't, so it doesn't matter. however, Haldir should not have been killed as he lives in the book. And personally i agree with leaving Earkenbrand out, too confusing, stick with ppl we already know (confusing to ppl who haven't read the book i mean) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>We didnt even now Haldir's name until he showed up at Helms Deep, and if we are going to introduce new characters, new armies, and other stuff, it might as well be the characters, armies and stuff that is in the book...I am not that mad that Elves were at Helms Deep, I am mad because that battle could of been the battle to make all other movie battles look like GI Joe fights, but instead it was ruined (IMHO)... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Faramir and Eowyn's story will prob be in the EEas for the boat, it doesn't say in the book that Celeborn WASN"T with them does it? i could be wrong...if you want a REALLY pointless change, howabout in the book they were 14 days from rivendell at weathertop, and only 6 in the movie...(or something like that) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Once again, another thing cut and left for EE, and for what? So we can see Sam crying a few seconds longer when Frodo sends him away? This story needed to be in the theatrical version, and thats why I hold it against PJ...(Next reply) <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> WillKill I think you just need to relax. In my opinion most of the changes you described were pretty minor compared to the Elves at Helms deep, Arwen, and Faramir's character change. Of course everyone is going to have little things that tick them off but they are not worth making a big deal over. Even some of the things in the books ticked me off too but I ingrored them and kept reading. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I am not really making a BIG deal, I did write a huge, giant, long post, but thats really all...of course a lot of the things were minor, but also they were pointless and unnecesary, and thats why I am mad, PJ had $300 million to do this, he could of made an effort to keep some thing with the story ling just for because...and the changes to practically every character are what **** me off, not only because the things they do are so unlike them in the books, but also because they just focred PJ to make more minor changes to the script, its the domino effect...btw, it took me a long time to get past the first few chapters too... anyways, gotta go this second, be back in a day or two for the next few replies...-willkillbtw, thanks for the replies, it makes me feel loved.....or hated...

01-23-2004, 11:53 AM	#1
willkill4food Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Salem, OR Posts: 44	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>^just so you know, some of the things that are missing (like the gift giving) are in the EE edition, and had to be cut because of screen time, however Jackson still filmed them and they are still in the movie although, you are right, it would explain a lot and it's not a scene i would have cut, from the Theatrical version either<P>no one really is going to remember who elendil is anyways, if they haven't read the book...<BR>personally, yes tom bombadil should have been in at least the extendend version, as well as the old forest, but you don't really NEED those parts to understand what's going on..so yeh, time limits call for change, it can't be helped<P>Dwarves going with Bilbo, Jackson probably didn't want to hire another couple actors for such a small part that doesn't really effect the story, and it's not like he completely took out dwarves (however I would have liked to see a bit more of Gloin like in the book)<P>as for "the power of the ring could not be undone" well, really it couldn't. That's why Frodo has to destroy the ring so many years later...<P>As too Celebrimbor, I think PJ is trying to NOT confuse the audience who haven't read the book by throwing too many names at them that aren't going to appear elsewhere in the movie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It really doesnt matter what was filmed, it matters what ends up on screen, and the gift giving scene just adds so much to the trilogy..<P>Elendil just happens to be one of the greatest men ever, and seeing up shout, jump forward and die was a blow to all Tolkien fans, just a few more seconds of him actually fighting hand to hand with Sauron would of made me happy, and if somehow it could of been filmed so that Isildur didnt come off ias an arrogant, foolish, petty man who the only thing he did was cut the ring, then I would of been crying in happyness during that scene...<P>As for the dwarves, I just cant get enough of them, they are just so cute and snuggly with their big beards, axes and 4ft 6 height...<BR> <BR>"But the power of the Ring could not be undone" makes it sound like even if all of Sauron's forces were destroyed (which they almost were) then still he could not be defeated (which is BS), Sauron was destoryed even before his ring was cut from his hand...<P>In the movies the viewer has no idea that the elven rings are any different, so if maybe just some small reference that the Elven Rings of power were not made by any help from Sauron and his hand never touched them, it would of made more sense to the viewer who is thinking "why are the Elves immune from Sauron?"<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>TTT, I LOVE the scene with the peasants ..personally i thought it a great addition.<P>The woman and children go to helm's deep in the book, so why not in the movie...personally i think having them in it was a GREAT idea, so it's not all battles (which there are already too much of)<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The women and children are already there in the book, as Erkenbrand lived in Helms Deep during these dark days...but do we really need to be reminded every 5 minutes that the fate of all of Rohan (women and children included) relies on this battles? I didnt, and I doubt the average viewer really felt anything more than pity for these people...and I barely felt pity (probably because I knew they would win)<BR>But again, PJ cut out Saurman's humbling in order to show the faces of his children and some of the acotrs children...not cool...<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Elrond's roll is there because he did not approve of Aragorn's and Arwen's relationship. (In the book) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Elrond approved of their relationship, but would only let Arwen marry the King of Gondor and Arnor, for Elrond forsaw that Aragorn would be the last cheif of the dunedain, either he would claim the thrown, or he and his line would disappear...he was just adding in a little incentive for Aragorn...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Personally i liked the elves at helms deep, however they shouldn't be there if he was being true to the book, which he wasn't, so it doesn't matter. however, Haldir should not have been killed as he lives in the book. And personally i agree with leaving Earkenbrand out, too confusing, stick with ppl we already know (confusing to ppl who haven't read the book i mean) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>We didnt even now Haldir's name until he showed up at Helms Deep, and if we are going to introduce new characters, new armies, and other stuff, it might as well be the characters, armies and stuff that is in the book...I am not that mad that Elves were at Helms Deep, I am mad because that battle could of been the battle to make all other movie battles look like GI Joe fights, but instead it was ruined (IMHO)...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Faramir and Eowyn's story will prob be in the EE<P>as for the boat, it doesn't say in the book that Celeborn WASN"T with them does it? i could be wrong...if you want a REALLY pointless change, howabout in the book they were 14 days from rivendell at weathertop, and only 6 in the movie...(or something like that)<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Once again, another thing cut and left for EE, and for what? So we can see Sam crying a few seconds longer when Frodo sends him away? This story needed to be in the theatrical version, and thats why I hold it against PJ...<P>(Next reply)<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> WillKill I think you just need to relax. In my opinion most of the changes you described were pretty minor compared to the Elves at Helms deep, Arwen, and Faramir's character change. Of course everyone is going to have little things that tick them off but they are not worth making a big deal over. Even some of the things in the books ticked me off too but I ingrored them and kept reading. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I am not really making a BIG deal, I did write a huge, giant, long post, but thats really all...of course a lot of the things were minor, but also they were pointless and unnecesary, and thats why I am mad, PJ had $300 million to do this, he could of made an effort to keep some thing with the story ling just for because...and the changes to practically every character are what **** me off, not only because the things they do are so unlike them in the books, but also because they just focred PJ to make more minor changes to the script, its the domino effect...btw, it took me a long time to get past the first few chapters too...<BR>anyways, gotta go this second, be back in a day or two for the next few replies...<P>-willkill<P>btw, thanks for the replies, it makes me feel loved.....or hated... __________________ Gil-galad was an Elven-king. Of him the harpers sadly sing...