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03-10-2004, 05:55 PM
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Wight
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"I'll give your name and number to the Nazgul"
I've just recently completed reading RotK and came across this line in the book. "I'll give your name and number to the Nazgul" When I first read it I immediately thought of the Nazgul as the police.(which I suppose in a sense they were)Then later I thought of them as the people you give your personal information to for a dating service.What images does the line strike up in your mind?
Peace, Vuelve 
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03-11-2004, 08:02 AM
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"I'll give your name and number to the dial-up advertising agency!"
Nooo!!! *wakes up from nightmare* "I'll give your name and number to the local insurance company!" Nooo!!! *wakes up from another nightmare* "I'll give your name and number to the local 'Save the Whale' action group!" Nooo!!! *wakes up from yet another nightmare* "I'll give your name and number to the Nazgul!" Yes!!! Make sure you tell them where I live too! And that I have screensavers and active desktops of them! *wake up at last* Wha..? just a dream? Darn... |
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03-11-2004, 08:57 AM
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How can you give them my name and number? I don't even know my own number, or for that matter my name either.
 Anyway what would they do with my name and number, I mean come on I'm a bath toy.
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03-11-2004, 02:29 PM
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La Belle Dame sans Merci
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You've caught my attention; where in the books is that line? I don't remember it. Really though, why would someone in Middle Earth threaten to give the Nazgul someone's name and number? Name yes, but number? This is just slightly
 before phones, so is it reference to ID numbers or something? Or house numbers? What number is being referred to, or am I just reading too much into the question...?Fea
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03-11-2004, 02:48 PM
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Feanor: (if I recall this right) two orcs were surprisingly fighting and the other said that he would give the other orc's name and number to the Nazgul if he didn't behave. I guess all the orcs didn't have proper names there or at least their commanders used numbers to identify them.
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03-11-2004, 03:29 PM
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Illusionary Holbytla
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Oh, yeah, it was the orc chief. Here I was thinking that that was what Pippin said to the ruffians.
Hehe, I think like that scenario better:Ruffian: Move along, move along. Hobbits: We will go just as fast as we please. Ruffian: You're under arrest, you know. Hobbits: If you don't watch it, we'll give your name and number to the Nazgul! 
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03-11-2004, 08:20 PM
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I don't believe it was the hobbits as they were trying to aviod the bad guys.It was two orcs and one was threatining the other, but I'm too lazy to go look it up.But it was deffinately in Mordor.
Peace (this is my 90th post ),Vuelve
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03-11-2004, 08:23 PM
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La Belle Dame sans Merci
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Oooh... I think I remember that part now. And it makes a bit of sense as well, what with Sauron's thirst for organization... Just goes to show what the world would become if we let neat-freaks take over!
Found another (or maybe the same) reference:Quote:
Just another point on how Sauron didn't care a whit about his minions. They weren't lives to him, they were tools. Fea
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03-11-2004, 08:41 PM
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I found it. Rotk: book six: The Land of Shadow: p.g. 215:second paragraph from the bottom. At least in my book anyways.
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Peace, Vuelve
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03-11-2004, 08:52 PM
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Illusionary Holbytla
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Vuelve, I was joking. I know it wasn't the Hobbits, it was just the first thing that came to mind. You asked what images it struck up.
Here it is...oh wait, you posted it in the time when I was looking for it. |
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03-11-2004, 09:08 PM
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Sorry Firefoot I misread your post, my sense of humor seams to have been absent the last couple of days.But I was replying to Feanor's question.
Peace, Vuelve
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03-12-2004, 02:04 AM
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'Name and Number' is a common concept in armed forces, because a lot of people have the same name, they are all asigned an ID number as well. This implies the orcs have regiments, and an actual organisation system.
How do you tell the difference between the regiments, do some have a certain amount of rust on their armour or something?
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03-12-2004, 06:15 AM
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If Orcs are that organised, it is no wonder that Gondor is hard-pressed for surviving a siege!
Saruman empties Isengard to besiege Helm's Deep and he has, what, 10,000 Orcs... I wonder whether he bothered to brand each of them with a number? Sauron definitely has much, much more of those critters. I don't even think that the Nazgul would be bothered to trace that wretch's name and number... Mount Doom would have frozen over by the time they are done with that pile. P.S: What about dog-tags?
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03-12-2004, 08:00 AM
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La Belle Dame sans Merci
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No doubt that rather than tracing the ID number all the way to an individual orc, they'd make it about as far as the orc's regiment and then kill them all to make a point. I can see it now:
Orc Nobody: Captain of Angmar! We've got a problem with Fegwak the Horrid, ID Number 87563577. Witchking: [poring over scrolls] There he is... Belongs to regiment number 127 1/2... Kill them all. Orc: All of them??? Witchking: It will serve a dual purpose: Men of the West will think we are insane and fear us even more... and my Lord's minions shall never ask for more water again!!!! Mwahahahahaha. Fea
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03-16-2004, 01:43 AM
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Aredhel Ar-Feiniel: Jeez Everdawn, Ill give your name and number to the Nazgûl!
Everdaw: Go ahead, make my day! Aredhel Ar-Feiniel: Ill get you my pretty! If it's the last thing i do! Later that Evening.... In the Lair of the Everdawn.... 3AM in the morning... **phone rings** Falling objects are heard as she trips over a cable finding phone... Everdawn: Whaddayawant? Naz #5: Hello, this is Nazgûl #5... Everdawn: What? Naz: Yes, maam, #5 speaking This is your wake up call. Everdawn: I dont remember asking for a wake up call. NAZ #5: We have gotton your number and name from a Miss Ar-Feiniel, she says that you would like a wake up call.. Everdawn: Whatever... *Feeble laugh* heh, that would be funny.
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03-16-2004, 01:27 PM
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Ah, the truth comes out. The Nazgul are actually telemarketers! Sauron uses the palantir to watch individuals at home, and just when they sit down to dinner *ring!*; a Nazgul calls and using a fake Southern accent asks if they would like to purchase a completely worthless item from a non-existent company.
I have way too much time on my hands. 
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03-17-2004, 08:42 AM
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So the Nazgul can't contact Frodo because he was not at home...
They rode all the way from Mordor to the Shire to find Frodo... 'Go back!' he (Frodo) cried. 'Go back to the Land of Mordor, and follow me no more!' 'But, sir, hear us out...' Witchking of Angmar. 'Yes! You really have to see this.' Nazgul #2, reaching into a black briefcase. 'We won't take a minute of your time...' Nazgul #3. *shudder*
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03-17-2004, 10:56 AM
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The Nazgul are all actually the IRS!! They're going to give their supervisors (even more terrible than them, can you imagine? *shudders*) your social sucurity number! (that's so mispelled!) LOL.
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03-17-2004, 07:39 PM
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The Nazgul as the people who call your house wanting you to take a survey.Or the people who call your house trying to get you to vote for someone during election time.What if the Nazgul were BILL COLLECTORS??!! Better yet REPO-MEN!!!!!
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03-17-2004, 08:51 PM
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La Belle Dame sans Merci
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But the Nazgul ARE repo-men! Didn't you know? See, Isildur never paid (save in blood, and that just doesn't count these days) for a certain piece of jewelry, and when he died, said jewelry got lost. When the Repo-depot guys heard that the Ring was still out there, they sent for Gollum, who claimed it was stolen. So then the Ghouls of Nahz tracked down the thieves and then there was a high speed chase...
Wait a minute... the Nazgul aren't repo-men... They're cops!!! Fea
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03-18-2004, 09:25 AM
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Situation where Frodo was arrested...
"Let's have it again... WHERE DID YOU HID THE RING?" "I demand my lawyer's presence...' "Just you listen, you little twerp, you're in the state of Mordor, and we do things our way here..."
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03-26-2004, 08:10 AM
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I don't know about anyone else, but is this arresting bit making me think of In the Heat of the Night , but it is for me;.... maybe it's me....
The Nazgul were Men once, so if they were given everyone's name and number, would they do the things most Men decide to do... Deliver PRANK CALLS?!?!?!? Oh, the horrors never stop...
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03-29-2004, 05:48 PM
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The Nazgul are actually hall monitors!
Nazgul- "Where are you going?" Frodo- "To Mordor. Got a problem with that?" Nazgul-"Maybe. Where's you hall pass?" Frodo- "I am a hobbit. Do I look like I need a hall pass?" Nazgul- "Alright. But don't make this a habit!!"
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03-30-2004, 02:25 PM
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The horror!
I think the biggest fear behind giving a Nasgul your name and number was because the Nasgul were so desperate for friendship that they called everyone and everything they knew. I mean come on, who really wants to hang out with a grim reaper look-alike?
It would work like this: *telephone rings* Random orc: Hello? Nasgul: Hello... (reads paper) Ned. Orc: It's Shnickrug. Nasgul: Uh, yeah. I meant Shnickrug. I was just calling to say hello, y'know, have a chat between old friends... Orc: Do I know you? Nasgul: Sure.. We met that one time, at that one place, and that one funny thing happened... Remember? Orc: Who is this? Nasgul: Uh... Orc: This isn't a Nasgul, is it? Because I already told you to take my name off your list! I had to listen to Nasgul #5 talk about how Velveeta isn't really cheese for about three hours last week! Nasgul: It isn't really Cheese? Let's discuss that! Orc: I know what you're doing! No! Nasgul: Oh, please? I really need to get somethign off my chest. Orc: You dont have a chest! Nasgul: But-- Orc: (Hangs up) Nasgul: *sniff sniff* Nobody likes me! Let's see here... (reads paper) Next one: Name-Glogruk. Number- ... IT CONTINUES! Hold on, someone's calling me. It had better not be Nasgul #5 again. ~MAEG!~ Velveeta is cheese!
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03-31-2004, 03:25 AM
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My number's...
... [04] 938-7576 and my name's Morgul. Tell Witchy I'll meet him at the Parrot and Jigger at 7:30 pm on saturday?
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04-20-2004, 02:11 PM
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They're hitmen.
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05-20-2008, 04:56 PM
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I think the Nazgul are, as has been stated, the police force of Mordor. And they do a good job..I mean who wouldn't want to fly around and scare the daylights out of things? The only downside is you dont have a body...
Oh well. I also think the Nazgul are hitmen, slave hitmen. And crazy at it too, since they CANT DIE...except if you're Eowyn and you say something dumb like "no man can kill me". |
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05-21-2008, 11:10 PM
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Haunting Spirit
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Hit list
I could make a really long list of people I'd love to set the Nazgul on. Unfortunately, since there's only a few Nazgul where I live and they know me...I can't employ either to exterminant my English tutor.
*Sigh* just means I have to plot another way to get awesome grades...
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