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Old 03-22-2004, 09:23 PM   #1
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Pipe The weather...

HI, but could the one you call breeze pass through the walls of Ered Lómin? Or will it be directed upwards and become jet streams?

Seriously, so it could mean to show Manwë's anger towards Morgoth - for obvious reasons - and the Noldor - who still trust to their might, despite the earlier lessons at Bragollach. And he chose Hithlum, because it is very well the center of the effort against Morgoth - aside from being nearest to the sea.

And perhaps a reminder:

"He-llo! Your hope of victory still depends from us people beyond the Sea!"
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Old 03-22-2004, 09:26 PM   #2
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In all effectuality, yes. Manwë had to send those foolish little kiddies some form of an "I told you so."


Then again, it could also have been him mourning the loss of so many heroes.
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I was joking. The answer to the question posed in the very first post was given in the very first post
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Old 03-23-2004, 08:17 AM   #4
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Perhaps embarassingly off-topic, but this bit in davem's post brought it to mind:
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Not to push that too far - the point is that he was tapping into some deeper level of the unconscious mind & drawing up images & symbols which he set out in his stories.
I wonder if Tolkien approved of Jung's theories.
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Old 03-23-2004, 03:04 PM   #5
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well im gonna take a more symbolic view towards the wind and personnally i dont think one of the omnipotent powers would have the arrogance to mock the noldor in their day of greatest defeat. IF, special emphasis on if, it was manwe who sent the wind it wouldnt have been like a parent scolding a disobiedent child it would be on of sorrow for the lose and waste of so many good fellows. Now to my point on the IF, it may not have been manwe or the other powers weaping for the lose but the world itself and as we all know Tolkien was quite the pacifist so it would be an excellent literary tool saying that the world itself weeps and mourns for the dead and lost. Next point, it may not be a mournful wind but more of a statement to those left not to despair and that there is still hope and too keep pushing on considering that often wind is symbolic of change in many tales and stories, ie in the War of the Ring just as the winds change help comes unlooked for. This wing was probably more of a statement to Melkor then to the Noldor saying basically you have one the battle but the war is hardly through. and thats my two cents
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Old 03-23-2004, 06:59 PM   #6
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Thumbs up The Symbolic Significance of Weather

On a linked theme, here is a thread discussing the symbolic use of weather in Tolkien's works:

The Symbolic Significance of Weather
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wonder if Tolkien approved of Jung's theories.
I seem to recall that Tolkien (and Inklings in general) approved of Jung as opposed to Freud. I could not find the clear statement in the letters or elswhere, but it haunts the back of my mind as thing once read and marked for remembrance . but forgotten alas. Maybe it was Lewis' biography, no way of telling right now.
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