Last Hope for Moria Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Pyroclastic · 04-07-2004, 02:41 PM

From the beginning of this RPG I've wondered, "Why did the orcs allow the Dwarves to live in Moria for even the small time that they did?" Here's what I figured must have happend:

1) The orcs must have been busy. With the death of a Captain and subesequent confusion, us orcs are busy.

2) They must have had a reason not to. Uzgash wonders in my post what the Dwaves are up to, and wants to keep them around untill he knows. But here's my real thought: When does The Balrog come in? That would keep the orcs busy for the four years while the Dwarves set up, and provide a reason why the orcs didn't bother the dwarves.

I'm thinking that Oro's Lugnush and Carlas's Nazklashs' journey into the depths of Moria to find Turgrog might stir up the Balrog a bit, perhaps give cause for a hasty retreat? It's just a thought, a way to tie up some loose ends.

In any case, I'll bring Uzgash back into Moria, and he'll start looking for Nazklash and Lugnush, but won't find them until I hear from you guys, Oro and Carlas.

Flames for all! ~Pyro~

Imladris · 04-07-2004, 02:57 PM

That's a good question Pyro, about the balrog. I never really was clear about the Balrog's relationship with the orcs. They weren't enemies, yet they weren't exactly pals, either. Maybe the Balrog told the orcs to leave the dwarves alone for awhile... doubtful though.

Let's see -- the dwarves did a fairly good job of wiping out a good portion of the orcs and they lost their troll as well (go Floi!). I do know that they flooded the gates of Hollin to keep them out (that's how Oin meets his fate...

) But what about the Great Gates? The dwarves will do repair work there. Maybe the orcs could tear it down again or whatever. So what the orcs could be doing was slowly sabatoging the mission from the first. Balin, in his stubborness, refuses to leave when given numerous chances to do so. Hence, the dwarve's final demise.

What do you think?

Cheers,
Imladris

Pyroclastic · 04-07-2004, 04:00 PM

Sabotage, sounds good! I would really like to do a good, destructive post!

Anyway, my latest post is up, and Uzgash doesn't think much of dwarves. I don't think much of Uzgash's poetry. But he insisted...

I'm going to go read the books now, and glean some ideas for destruction!
~Pyro~

Carlas · 04-08-2004, 02:36 PM

Alright, I should have the beginning of Turgrog's demise up tomorrow, I hope. I never seem to be able to make my own deadlines...

Edit- The post is up...and on time too!

Imladris · 04-09-2004, 09:19 AM

I will be writing the forwarding post tonight.

Perky Ent , in that forwarding post will be Balin's speech at Floi's burial. Please edit your post to that if you would. If you still want Nali to have a bit of a tiff with Balin, I will then edit it into my post.

Cheers,
Imladris

The Perky Ent · 04-09-2004, 11:34 AM

Imladris, I edited the post. Not as good but still adequet!

Imladris · 04-09-2004, 06:47 PM

Against all odds, I have done the forwarding post. Here is an outline of what will happen next:

Outline

Balin dies
On the same day, the other dwarves kill the orc that killed Balin, and many more up the Silver lode (any one knows what that is?),
Several days later: They have to barr the gates. I would think from the orcs. Any ideas from both orcs and dwarves?
The end game
The Bridge and Second Hall taken. Frar, Loni, and Nali die.
Hollin is flooded -- Oin goes to check it out, I presume. Orual , what do you think?
The Watcher kills Oin.
The end comes.

We're making splendid time -- I like to think we're a wee bit ahead of schedule, so don't feel obligated to hurry.

Thank you Perky Ent for editing.

Cheers to all,
Imladris

04-07-2004, 02:41 PM	#1
Pyroclastic Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mordor University, Wisconsin Campus Posts: 83	The Balrog From the beginning of this RPG I've wondered, "Why did the orcs allow the Dwarves to live in Moria for even the small time that they did?" Here's what I figured must have happend: 1) The orcs must have been busy. With the death of a Captain and subesequent confusion, us orcs are busy. 2) They must have had a reason not to. Uzgash wonders in my post what the Dwaves are up to, and wants to keep them around untill he knows. But here's my real thought: When does The Balrog come in? That would keep the orcs busy for the four years while the Dwarves set up, and provide a reason why the orcs didn't bother the dwarves. I'm thinking that Oro's Lugnush and Carlas's Nazklashs' journey into the depths of Moria to find Turgrog might stir up the Balrog a bit, perhaps give cause for a hasty retreat? It's just a thought, a way to tie up some loose ends. In any case, I'll bring Uzgash back into Moria, and he'll start looking for Nazklash and Lugnush, but won't find them until I hear from you guys, Oro and Carlas. Flames for all! ~Pyro~ __________________ If You Can't Beat 'Em, Cheat 'Em!

04-07-2004, 02:57 PM	#2
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	That's a good question Pyro, about the balrog. I never really was clear about the Balrog's relationship with the orcs. They weren't enemies, yet they weren't exactly pals, either. Maybe the Balrog told the orcs to leave the dwarves alone for awhile... doubtful though. Let's see -- the dwarves did a fairly good job of wiping out a good portion of the orcs and they lost their troll as well (go Floi!). I do know that they flooded the gates of Hollin to keep them out (that's how Oin meets his fate... ) But what about the Great Gates? The dwarves will do repair work there. Maybe the orcs could tear it down again or whatever. So what the orcs could be doing was slowly sabatoging the mission from the first. Balin, in his stubborness, refuses to leave when given numerous chances to do so. Hence, the dwarve's final demise. What do you think? Cheers, Imladris __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

04-07-2004, 04:00 PM	#3
Pyroclastic Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mordor University, Wisconsin Campus Posts: 83	Sabotage! Sabotage, sounds good! I would really like to do a good, destructive post! Anyway, my latest post is up, and Uzgash doesn't think much of dwarves. I don't think much of Uzgash's poetry. But he insisted... I'm going to go read the books now, and glean some ideas for destruction! ~Pyro~ __________________ If You Can't Beat 'Em, Cheat 'Em!

04-08-2004, 02:36 PM	#4
Carlas Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lost in the Fog of the Downs Posts: 359	Alright, I should have the beginning of Turgrog's demise up tomorrow, I hope. I never seem to be able to make my own deadlines... Edit- The post is up...and on time too! __________________ 七転八起... Last edited by Carlas; 04-09-2004 at 08:47 AM.

04-09-2004, 09:19 AM	#5
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	I will be writing the forwarding post tonight. Perky Ent , in that forwarding post will be Balin's speech at Floi's burial. Please edit your post to that if you would. If you still want Nali to have a bit of a tiff with Balin, I will then edit it into my post. Cheers, Imladris __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

04-09-2004, 11:34 AM	#6
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Imladris, I edited the post. Not as good but still adequet! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

04-09-2004, 06:47 PM	#7
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	*wipes brow* Against all odds, I have done the forwarding post. Here is an outline of what will happen next: Outline Balin dies On the same day, the other dwarves kill the orc that killed Balin, and many more up the Silver lode (any one knows what that is?), Several days later: They have to barr the gates. I would think from the orcs. Any ideas from both orcs and dwarves? The end game The Bridge and Second Hall taken. Frar, Loni, and Nali die. Hollin is flooded -- Oin goes to check it out, I presume. Orual , what do you think? The Watcher kills Oin. The end comes. We're making splendid time -- I like to think we're a wee bit ahead of schedule, so don't feel obligated to hurry. Thank you Perky Ent for editing. Cheers to all, Imladris