Annoying Amateurs

[Tulkas the Mighty]

have this ability to detect anything LOTR related in an instant, anyone else have this uncanny ability?

Yeah it happens to me all the time.. Its kinda fun

[Lush]

What's with the ego-tripping on this thread at the expense of people who just can't be bothered to give a hoot underneath it all?

Some are annoying, yes, but nowhere near as annoying as those who know bloody everything and righteously stick it in your face, whether you asked them to or not.

Seriously, the mistakes that people make when talking about Tolkien can even be humorous at times. I knew a movies fan who was convinced that the name "Legolas" was somehow derived from "Lego" of the cute little building blocks fame. Hee hee.

[HerenIstarion]

by Gil-Galad

One thing that is "newbish" is peeps saying that what they say about lotr is right, like this one kid says that a book called "peoples of middle earth", it says that Gil-Galad is Orodreths son, when Tolkien clearly wrote that he was Fingons, that kid said it was corrected in PoME, which wasn't written by tolkien

I assume the kid mentioned was rather over advanced a bit, for PoME is part of HoME - precisely, its volume 12, and HoME itself stands for History of Middle Earth, and is collection (with editorial notes and analysis made by JRRT's son Christopher) of Tolkien's drafts and different versions of stories which stand behind and form the ground for LoTR. One of the drafts indeed names Orodreth as Gil-Galad's father. Orodreth is also constantly shifting positions from Finrod Felagund's brother to his son, mere kinsman and steward and back to brother.

HoME vXII,


The only further change was the rejection of the name Artaresto and its replacement by Artaher, Sindarin Arothir; and thus in the excursus (note 23) Arothir [Orodreth] is named as Finrod's 'kinsman and steward', and (note 47) Gil-galad is 'the son of Arothir, nephew of Finrod'. The final genealogy was


Angrod, brother of Finrod Felagund ----> Artaher/Arothir [Orodreth] ----> Artanaro/Rodnor/Gil-galad

But do not dispair - though there is no need to expunge such a version, there is no opposite obligation either to change the knowledge you were sticking to up to now. Just allow for yourself that there are several sources that state some facts differently.

by Lush

Some are annoying, yes, but nowhere near as annoying as those who know bloody everything and righteously stick it in your face, whether you asked them to or not

Did I just do that?

[Iaurhirwen]

Yeah, I actually looked up the pronunciation of Smeagol and its 2 syllables but, whatever.

One of the most annoying things I have found to arise lately is the number of internet quizzes that test you on your character compatability. There are some good ones out there but a majority of them are low class and very "newbee-ish." Especially the fangirl ones about which male character is your true love or whatever. I truely can't stand them.

[Gil-Galad]

so which would be correct? the silmarillion or PoME/HoME?

[bilbo_baggins]

Well, based on what he said, Gil-galad, I think you can go one way or another:

there is no opposite obligation either to change the knowledge you were sticking to up to now.

So, feel free to find your own father!

What's with the ego-tripping on this thread at the expense of people who just can't be bothered to give a hoot underneath it all?

Lush: I'm not sure I understand your comment; are you saying we should not be so down on the newbies, even the ones who are highly abrasive? The "annoying" ones are the ones who we dislike, and who we discuss on this thread.

[Esgallhugwen]

I would never make fun of the newbies who are trying to learn, I myself could probably be considered a newbie. I've only read LOR twice, The Silmarillion twice and the Hobbit twice (not including the graphic novel which is like a huge comic book of the Hobbit) But anyway, it is annoying when people claim to have read the books. Such as an ex- friend of my brothers (they're not friends for other reason than this). My brother asked him a question because he didn't believe his friend had actually read the books *just a note my bro hasn't read them either but knows enough from what I've told him, the little details and such* anyway I believe he asked him who Shelob was, or something to that effect, his friend replied that it was some bird or something. When my brother told him that was wrong that she was in fact a rather large spider he didn't belive him! Oh boy! and let me not forget he stated he couldn't wait for Tolkiens next LOR book to come out, sorry little boy I'm afraid he's no longer among the living, and LOR was meant to be a trilogy only.


I really hope i don't have the tendency to stick info in people's faces, I mean if their incorrect about something I will politely correct but sometimes they take that the wrong way, thinking I'm obsessed or trying to show off, its not like I just start going off on a tangent about all that is LOR. It sometimes makes me sad But ohwell thats what you guys are here for support!