Just say 'no,' Faramir

[Phervasaion]

To start off Faramir was more of the Numenorean decent then Boromir was so that right there just might contribute to Faramir being able to resist the ring more.

Huh? Never heard that Faramir was of numenorean decent, where did you find that information?

Well... Im not sure about it but you could be right.

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

This has always been an interesting aspect of the book to me. Faramir was indeed of 'purer' blood than Boromir in his descent from the Men of the West (genetics can do weird things -- my sister and I are more different than you would believe ). We're also told that he took after his mother, while Boromir took after his father (so what does that tell us about Denethor?)

I find this interesting, because the 'pure' blood that is Faramir's comes from his mother; he is also a good fighter, but not a big military hero like his brother, not so consumed with glory and thoughts of battle. What's more, his primary function (thematically) in the book is to be passive -- to let Frodo and Sam go, to NOT kill Gollum, to get hurt by the Nazgul so Aragorn can heal him, to spend time in the Houses of Healing with Eowyn.

The more you look at Faramir, the more feminine he becomes to his brother's masculine. Is his more easy renunciation of the Ring associated with femininity??

[Mister Underhill]

Is his more easy renunciation of the Ring associated with femininity??

Heh! Some theories just won't stay buried. See the classic thread, The One Ring, for feminine-Ring-resistance speculations.

[Lily Bracegirdle]

I think Faramir's resistance to the lure of the Ring came from both his own characteristics and also the circumstances under which he came across it.

Faramir had more Numenorean traits than Boromir through the caprice of genetics. This made him wiser, more insightful, and perhaps stronger willed. (Faramir is more like Aragorn -- a leader, while Boromir was more like Eomer -- a fighter.) Faramir also benefitted from the tutelage of Gandalf and knew something of the danger of the Ring. Finally, Faramir was more humble than Boromir and probably had a better idea of his own limitations.

As for the circumstances, Boromir traveled with the Ring close at hand for months, which has got to have been a serious strain on him. Faramir only stayed close to the Ring for a few days at most, and he never even saw the thing. In fact, once he figured out Frodo was carrying the Ring, not only did he not want to see it, but he didn't even want to discuss it.

Maybe if Faramir had been in the Fellowship he would have given in to the lure of the Ring as well. I like to think not, but who can say for sure? All I know is it's a good thing Frodo met Faramir in the Wild and not Boromir.

Cheers!
-Lily

[tar-ancalime]

The more you look at Faramir, the more feminine he becomes to his brother's masculine.

I think we do both Boromir and Faramir a disservice by always considering them together. If Boromir hadn't acted as he did, Faramir's resistance to the Ring might have seemed less remarkable: throughout the story, the truly wise and powerful people (Aragorn, Gandalf, Galadriel, Elrond) are adamant in their refusals of the Ring's utility for themselves or for the war against Sauron. Any of these people, and Faramir as well, could have taken the Ring from Frodo at any time. By being able to withstand the Ring, Faramir puts himself into this lofty company. He does this without help or hindrance from his father or his brother--and now we come to Why I Didn't Like Movie Faramir: everything Movie Faramir does is directly related to his relationships with his father and his brother. He doesn't seem to have any independent thoughts at all, and I think that Book Faramir (or "Classic" Faramir ) comes across as a stronger will and a nobler hero. This is partly because he's strong, wise, and faithful in a way that stands alone, and doesn't need to be propped up by his brother's perceived weakness or his father's madness. He is heroic with or without comparisons.

However...

As for the circumstances, Boromir traveled with the Ring close at hand for months, which has got to have been a serious strain on him. Faramir only stayed close to the Ring for a few days at most, and he never even saw the thing. In fact, once he figured out Frodo was carrying the Ring, not only did he not want to see it, but he didn't even want to discuss it.

Lily Bracegirdle makes a really good point as to why Boromir tends to come off badly in comparisons to his brother. He was tempted without respite for months, forced to accept the possibility of the end of the Age of Stewards, and was part of a group of which he was decidedly not the leader for perhaps the first time in his life. It really makes you feel for the poor chap! He had already proven himself as very, very good at defending Gondor, and saw no compelling reason to stop doing so. And without comparisons to his Ring-resisting younger brother, his actions might not seem so venal or shortsighted.

[The Only Real Estel]

and would want to see his city in all its past glory.

Unfortunately, that really can't count as a reason for Boromir (or Faramir) to resist the Ring because Boromir thought that he could bring the past glory of his city back through the Ring. Therefore, that's really a reason for Boromir to try to get the Ring, not to try to avoid it.

Maybe if Faramir had been in the Fellowship he would have given in to the lure of the Ring as well. I like to think not, but who can say for sure? All I know is it's a good thing Frodo met Faramir in the Wild and not Boromir.

Boromir probably wouldn't have been fun to meet in the wild, but you never know (like you said). Perhaps, although he was unsure about destroying the Ring at the beginning of the Quest (&, at time, throughout it), he would not have hindered Frodo if he was only around him for a few days. And you probably have a point with your Faramir-in-the-Fellowship arguement. He might've held out longer than Boromir, but I bet the results would've ended up being the same, eventually.

The 2 answers I can come up with are Faramir had more Numenorean blood in him then Boromir and he was much wiser in lore he knew what the ring was capable of.

He was wiser, yes, but the main thing was that he used his wisdom a lot more than Boromir did, & he wasn't so rash. But I don't think it was Faramir's wisdom that kept him from taking the Ring: Why would he have studied about the Ring? Gandalf himself said that 'studying the arts of the Dark Lord was perilous'. But I don't think there's any argument here, because Faramir didn't even know what Frodo was referring to as 'Isildur's Bane', at least not for awhile.

[Fingolfin II]

Boromir was a man who loved glory and battles, like King Earnur, whereas Faramir could still fight, but wasn't as rash and more ready to listen. The reason Denethor loved Boromir more was because he was different to himself, and his desire for the Ring was - if this makes any sense at all - almost unselfish. Boromir wanted victory for Gondor and would do anything to gain victory; including trying to take the Ring. True, he also wanted it for his own glory, but I think this quote sums up why he wanted it-

'True-hearted Men, they will not be corrupted. We of Minas Tirith have been staunch through long years of trial. We do not desire the power of wizard-lords, only strength to defend ourselves, strength in a just cause.'

Now, to get back to the topic. Faramir was in the presence of Frodo less than Boromir and was wiser than him in the respect that he knew what the Ring was capable of. So did Boromir, but his desire to achieve victory for Gondor, as well as his personal glory, blinded him of the dangers that the Ring had for mortals.

Faramir was wiser in lore than Boromir, but as Lily Bracegirdle pointed out, Faramir had never even seen the ring. If you saw something that you really wanted, would you want it more than someone who hasn't even seen it? We must give Boromir the credit that even though he fell to the temptation of the One Ring, he fell for the right reasons. However, Faramir avoided the Ring also for the 'right' reasons.

The 2 answers I can come up with are Faramir had more Numenorean blood in him then Boromir and he was much wiser in lore he knew what the ring was capable of. I do agree, I think Faramir learned from the mistake of Boromir.

Faramir and Boromir had the same amount of Numenorean and Elvish blood in them. It is stated in the book that Faramir was alike to his father, in that they both saw far and read men's hearts and minds, but Faramir was driven to pity, rather than scorn of them (or something along those lines). Boromir earned his fiery temperament and love for battles from someone other than his father- once more, it's a question of genetics. I suppose that Faramir's pity of Men has stemmed from his mother's side and the Elven characteristics that are expressed more clearly in him than in Boromir.

However, we know that several Elven brothers shared different temperaments- take the two half-brothers Fëanor and Finarfin for example. Feanor was more 'the Boromir type' as he was rash and desired glory through controlling his own land, rather than be 'controlled' by the Valar. Finarfin, however, may not have been 'greater' in the sense that he wasn't as skilled as making gems, etc., but he was wiser and more gentle than Fëanor- like Faramir.

That doesn't mean he was more cowardly in battle though. Far from it. Faramir is known and acknowledged as a great captain in Gondor by all people- except his father. He was wise enough and great enough to resist the Ring without knowing the full dangers of it, while Boromir knew, or learnt this, for a long time.

In the end, I'd have to say that Faramir resisted the lure of the Ring because he was a) less proud and glory-seeking of himself than his older brother and b) more wise in the fact that he knew his limitations and what he could achieve- mastery of the Ring was something beyond him or anyone in Middle-Earth, apart from Sauron.