Gimli and the Steward's Chair

[Bombadil]

I believe it was just a flat out sign of disrespect. Estel mentions before how Gandalf respected Denethor, which is true, but I could not see any repect from Mithrandir in the movies.

Ever since TTT Gimli basically became a source of comic relief for viewers, which is too bad- yet his character was still developed as a hot-headed dwarf who strayed from being polite at times. It was rather fitting at that point to show the careless dwarf disrepecting the Stewardship of Gondor. (btw all my dwarf descriptions taken through movie characterization, not book!)

Of course before long Gimli came out with another comical line while in the chair, to further add to Jackson's characterization.

[Arathiriel]

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Oh yeesh - they had Gimli sitting in Denethor's chair because honestly I don't think they wanted to worry with the trouble of making Gimli look the correct size in that scene...

I really doubt it. Any time you see more people than just Gimli, it likely isn't John Rys-Davies there anyway; it's his 4 foot-9 inch scale double, so they wouldn't have put that scene in because they were worried about size.

Personally I still think they just had Gimli seated because they wanted him the right size without having to worry about doing something to get him that size!

[Arathiriel]

Besides, if that is the scale double instead of JRD, then I have to ask why have Gimli sitting in Denethor's chair? Why not just let him stand up along with the rest of the characters instead?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I wasn't speaking to you in the particular Estel, and I agree with you about the need to keep threads alive but I think this one will be ok.

I agree with Bombadil, that whole scene was a bit of a sham. The Last Debate chapter in the book was absolutely heart-breaking for me. In the film Gimli rounds it off with that terrible line ("Small chance of success, what are we waiting for !?") and the scene completely misses the point.

And I know this isn't necessary to point out right now, but Legolas.....A diversion? You're kidding!

I really dislike this scene.

[The Only Real Estel]

Besides, if that is the scale double instead of JRD, then I have to ask why have Gimli sitting in Denethor's chair? Why not just let him stand up along with the rest of the characters instead?

Hmm...that's a good question. If fact, since it was his scale double, why not start discussing why you think PJ even put Gimli in the chair at all? Since that's what all the rest of us have been doing the whole time . And yes, I'm quite sure that it was Gimli double in the chair, he does quite a bit of work in the movies. 'JRD' is only there for his closeups, 99% of the time. Anyway, if they wanted to have the over 6 feet tall JRD in the chair, they'd have to make an oversized one to get the scale issue right, so they'd be working just as much as they would have to to make up Bret (the 4'9 guy) & stick him in the normal-sized chair.

The Last Debate chapter in the book was absolutely heart-breaking for me. In the film Gimli rounds it off with that terrible line ("Small chance of success, what are we waiting for !?") and the scene completely misses the point.

Yes, thanks to Gimli's line, they get sent off on a comical note, instead of an all-or-nothing, likely suicidal trek. It pretty well ruined the drama/dispair of the moment.

[Morsul the Dark]

this is yet another time i think nobody except movie hawks will notice that it's dentor's chair and hes smoking and you just need to sit when your have a pipe

[Arathiriel]

Besides, if that is the scale double instead of JRD, then I have to ask why have Gimli sitting in Denethor's chair? Why not just let him stand up along with the rest of the characters instead?

Hmm...that's a good question. If fact, since it was his scale double, why not start discussing why you think PJ even put Gimli in the chair at all? Since that's what all the rest of us have been doing the whole time . And yes, I'm quite sure that it was Gimli double in the chair, he does quite a bit of work in the movies. 'JRD' is only there for his closeups, 99% of the time. Anyway, if they wanted to have the over 6 feet tall JRD in the chair, they'd have to make an oversized one to get the scale issue right, so they'd be working just as much as they would have to to make up Bret (the 4'9 guy) & stick him in the normal-sized chair.

Okay, you all think what you want and I'll think what I want until I hear it out of the horse's mouth that was the scale double and NOT JRD himself - K?