Lothlorien- self sufficient community? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

NightKnight · 06-04-2004, 12:09 PM

Also, they were elves. I don't think they needed much food. The impression I get from elves is that they don't need to eat, since they can't starve to death anyway.

Ophelia · 06-04-2004, 12:36 PM

I agree - there were fruit trees around Lorien , there was the river , they were not on "you" with growing plants and vegetables so , we can say that Lothlorien was in a very economicly advantageous location that allowed them to be this self sufficient community .
And I do not suppose that a starved elf and a happy elf are two phrases that go together , though it says in the book that the Elves of Lorien were joyfull . But that`s just a thought ...

Ophelia

drigel · 06-04-2004, 12:46 PM

There is nothing to say that the Galadthrim did not trade with other elf communities. I would assume that would be the case, and commerce with other races would be excluded..?..?

Morsul the Dark · 06-04-2004, 01:00 PM

but remember no one was allowed to enter lothlorien i do think that they hunted and fished and tree fruit indeed. also didnt the city of lothlorien never change? was time supposed to stasnd still or some such thing? so maybe they were just never hungry

drigel · 06-04-2004, 01:10 PM

I could be wrong, but wasnt it "no mortals could ever pass through..." ?>

There was definately a lot of traffic between Rivendell and Lothlorien. Enough for an attack to occur on Elronds daughter. Its curious to imagine the goods being trading by just those 2 communities...

Lady Snickerdoodle · 06-04-2004, 01:20 PM

Okay fine, I forgot about fishing and all that... but for the orchards and crops, who would tend them? *interesting image of random elf on a tractor in overalls* They would have to manufacture their own implements, and though a shovel of mithril would have been pretty, it's kind of impractical. Though it would get me to tend my garden more. Is there any record of a mundane object made by elves? I know they were good with precious metals, and they could make weapons and jewelry, but were there any not-so-romantic tools made? Or did the elves just keep that under cover to be more impressive?!

Also, forest crops get kind of limited after a while.. But since the gardens of Lorien are supposed to be magical, they would probably be able to manage it.

EDIT: hey... 200th post!

Morsul the Dark · 06-04-2004, 01:36 PM

when the elves first came to middle earth they would have to make their own implements... and i dont really see farming as an odd thing especially in lothloriend where galadriel had her ring which could give life

drigel · 06-04-2004, 01:36 PM

congrats lady!
I like your idea: "Howdy yall welcum to Lorien yeeehaaaw"

Thinking about this subject leads me to remember that there was much commerce between the Noldor community in Eregion during the 2nd age and the dwarves of Khazad Dum. So, whos to say that there wasnt the same (maybe not as much) stuff going on with Lorien as well?

06-04-2004, 12:09 PM	#1
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Also, they were elves. I don't think they needed much food. The impression I get from elves is that they don't need to eat, since they can't starve to death anyway. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

06-04-2004, 12:36 PM	#2
Ophelia Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere between the sacred , silence and sweet . Posts: 169	I agree - there were fruit trees around Lorien , there was the river , they were not on "you" with growing plants and vegetables so , we can say that Lothlorien was in a very economicly advantageous location that allowed them to be this self sufficient community . And I do not suppose that a starved elf and a happy elf are two phrases that go together , though it says in the book that the Elves of Lorien were joyfull . But that`s just a thought ... Ophelia __________________ I didn't lose my mind . It was mine to give away .

06-04-2004, 01:00 PM	#4
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	but remember no one was allowed to enter lothlorien i do think that they hunted and fished and tree fruit indeed. also didnt the city of lothlorien never change? was time supposed to stasnd still or some such thing? so maybe they were just never hungry __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

06-04-2004, 01:20 PM	#6
Lady Snickerdoodle Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: in the cookie jar Posts: 256	Okay fine, I forgot about fishing and all that... but for the orchards and crops, who would tend them? interesting image of random elf on a tractor in overalls They would have to manufacture their own implements, and though a shovel of mithril would have been pretty, it's kind of impractical. Though it would get me to tend my garden more. Is there any record of a mundane object made by elves? I know they were good with precious metals, and they could make weapons and jewelry, but were there any not-so-romantic tools made? Or did the elves just keep that under cover to be more impressive?! Also, forest crops get kind of limited after a while.. But since the gardens of Lorien are supposed to be magical, they would probably be able to manage it. EDIT: hey... 200th post! __________________ "Let me handle this, I'm British." ~hitchhikers guide

06-04-2004, 01:36 PM	#7
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	when the elves first came to middle earth they would have to make their own implements... and i dont really see farming as an odd thing especially in lothloriend where galadriel had her ring which could give life __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

06-04-2004, 12:46 PM	#3
drigel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: commonplace city Posts: 518	There is nothing to say that the Galadthrim did not trade with other elf communities. I would assume that would be the case, and commerce with other races would be excluded..?..?

06-04-2004, 01:10 PM	#5
drigel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: commonplace city Posts: 518	I could be wrong, but wasnt it "no mortals could ever pass through..." ?> There was definately a lot of traffic between Rivendell and Lothlorien. Enough for an attack to occur on Elronds daughter. Its curious to imagine the goods being trading by just those 2 communities...