Questions on Pronunciation

[Frodo2968thewhite]

Suliad, Mellyn nin. Lle quena i'lambe tel' Eldalie? Amin n'rangwa edanea!

Okay, I can tell many people are confused here, so I have come to help. I am a tolkienologist, almost fluent in elvish, and have read the books 10 times (almost 11). One thing I have learned about elvish, both Sindarin and Quenya, is that most words are painfully literal in their pronunciation. Even in the movies. If you can recall in FOTR, at the Door of Durin at Moria. Frodo asks what the elvish word for 'friend' is, and Gandalf says "Mellon", but the way he says it, there are 2 beats on the 'LL'. So he put a beat per letter. Anyways, lets move on...

Okay, lets start with Smeagol: we must remember that 'Smeagol' is NOT elvish at all. It is only the anglicized equivalent of 'Trahald' (which is what Gollum's friends and family REALLY called him). Smeagol, in turn, is pronounced "smee-gol", according to that language.

Next up is Feanor and Earendil...these two are one and the same, both having the "ea". and with the accent mark over the 'e', that would make the pronunciation "ey-AH-ren-dil" and "FEY-eh-nor" (the 'EY' in 'FEY' is like that in 'Hey')

'Legolas' is pronounced "LEH-goh-las" and 'Numenore' is pronounced "Nu-meh-NORR-ay" with extra stress on the 'R'.

Also, many people do not know the correct pronnunciation of 'Elendil'. It is pronounced "el-EN-dee-il", breaking the 'I' into two parts, also with the stress on "EN" instead of the before-thought "DIL".
Hopefully this makes some issues clear! Namaarie!

[Iaurhirwen]

The Encyclopedia of Arda is an excelent source for pronunciations. They seem to be pretty acurate and show some good research into Tolkien's works and other languages for their pronunciation guides. Though I did notice that their pronunciation of Smeagol is different from the two ways it is normally pronounced.

I say we just hold a seance - call up Tolkien's ghost - and ask he to clarify everything we have disgrepensies (sp?) over. I don't know. These arguments have been going on for decades and I don't know if we'll ever come to complete agreement.

[Sharkû]

Something about your claim you're a Tolkienologist doesn't rhyme with using Grey Company Elvish.
Also your explanations differ in instances from the sources such as Appendix F.

[Frodo2968thewhite]

Okay, you seem very knowledgeable, Sharku. And I am sure we can agree that there is no single correct dictionary of the Elvish language avaliable, correct? Well in that case, I have chosen the closest one I can find. And no matter what you say, my research has proven Grey Company has the most authentic dictionary avaliable on the internet. I have been studying tolkiens works for decades, and these explanations can be proven using the books and other works and manuscripts of Professor Tolkien and his son, Christopher Tolkien.

[piosenniel]

From the Ardalambion site (link given above) here is:

Elvish Pronunciation Guide

with audio examples.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Are you Frodo2968 sure about the pronaunciation of Eärendil? I don't meant to offend anybody or doubt anyone's knowledge but I was quite sure about Eärendil's pronaunciation which slightly differs from your view. In Quenya there are certain diphthongs, groups of two basic vowels pronounced together as one syllable: There are three diphthongs in -i (ai, oi, ui) and three in -u (au, eu, iu, though the diphthongs eu and iu are quite rare). So there isn't such a syllable as "ea" (which we already knew since there are the two dots above that "ä").

Next quote is from Ardalambion: "Quenya vowels are pure. For people who want to pronounce Elvish vowels with some degree of accuracy, Tolkien recommended Italian vowels as a model. Speakers of English have an ingrained habit of blurring many vowels, especially when they are not fully stressed; hence in a word like banana it is typically only the middle A that comes out as a "proper" A-sound. The two other A's, that are not stressed, are typically made to sound like a blurred, obscure "reduction vowel" that linguists call a schwa (from a Hebrew word for nothingness; English textbooks sometimes prefer the spelling "shwa"). But in Quenya all vowels, in all positions, must be clearly and distinctly pronounced; any tendencies to "blur" them must be strongly resisted."

Anyone who agrees with this can find the pronaunciation directions for the rest of the vowels from my previous post or more likely from the Ardalambion's Quenya course.

[edit: sorry pio, I posted cross with you...since your link is there, there's no need for my explanation but I'll let it stay anyway ]

[Lathriel]

I just pronounce the way the names sound the most beautiful to me.
Basically I turn around the english way of pronouncing things. I make the A not sound as in the word say but the way they say the A in the spanish alphabet. ( I don't do that for Aerendil though) and I make the e not as in eat but as the e in end.

I don't really care if I don't pronounce them completly correct, I will probably learn elvish someday anyway.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

The umlauted 'a' in Eärendil indicates that the 'a' be pronounced separately from the 'E'. This name has its ultimate origin in a line from the Old-English Exeter Book: "Eala Earendel, engla beorhtest ofer Middangeard monnum sended", and retains the Old-English pronunciation in its later form.