PJ's Sauron

[Essex]

re sauron / aragorn fight.

I think what we have is not a 'eureka' moment by Jackson, but the other 2 scriptwriters obviously talking him out of having the fight in the film.

I don't think scriptwriting (especially THIS book) is Jackson's forte, that's why he got his wife and Boyens to assist. (and in assist I really mean control)

I think boyens and walsh pretended to let him have his way by letting him film the scene, and then explained to him what he would look like after tolkienists had got hold of him if the fight scene had appeared in the film.

So Jackson comes back with a 'ok, no sauron but we'll have this massive orc/troll type thing attack him.'

Cue boyens and walsh look at each other, roll their eyes, and say 'ok, peter, have your troll then'.

We had the same sort of thing hapening in Helm's Deep. Boyens and walsh go into a corner. "OK, let him film arwen knocking seven shades out of a few orcs. We can always airbrush her out afterwards. He'll be too busy working on ROTK to remember anyway......"

[Boromir88]

I think that troll orc guy was supposed to be Gothmog. Gothmog was mentioned in one line from the book and its funny how he gets more screen time and "build up" then the Witch King. The book really never explained how Gothmog looked, or what he was, but he most likely wasn't an orc, Sauron would have never trusted an orc to be 2nd in command of his armies. Some seem to think Gothmog was one of the Ringwraiths but I don't think so. Maybe just some twisted creation by Sauron, or someone Similar to the Mouth of Sauron, who was taken in and learned much magic and necromancy from Sauron. It was believed the Mouth of Sauron was a black numenorean, so Gothmog could be similar.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I am surprised you have missed all the discussion of Gothmog in this forum Boromir88 . Movie-Gothmog is the pink Orc who commands in the Battle of Pellenor Fields.

Try searching through the RotK threads to find debate on Gothmog. I assure you, some of it is quite hilarious.