Wormtongue a cannibal? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Shadowstrife911 · 09-03-2002, 06:56 PM

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From this quote, it would appear as if Saruman had an inkling to what his fate would be, but wasn't fully sure about it--hence his "wavering" as he looked towards the West. I also wonder whether the word "sigh" is merely describing the sound of the wind, or something more.

Its probaly describing the sound of the wind but the 'sigh' could also be figurative, perhaps expressing Saruman's dismay at his rejection from the blessed west. Maybe the poor devil finally realized that in the end he was reduced to nothing, bullying around those poor little hobbits and scouring the Shire.

Morsul the Dark · 06-04-2017, 05:23 PM

One topic from 2002?

Thought this would be more of a thing

Inziladun · 06-04-2017, 05:53 PM

I agree with the topic starter.

Saruman was showing his contempt for Wormtongue both by calling him "Worm", and by insinuating the cannibalism. Wormtongue's protest that Saruman "made him do it" referred only to the actual murder of Lotho in his sleep.

Debased as Wormtongue was, I wouldn't think he was fallen enough to eat a Hobbit out of an Orcish evil, or that the food situation at Bag End was that bad.

Morsul the Dark · 06-04-2017, 05:57 PM

Saruman was skilled in treachery and lies. So I'm on that side more, however Grima was so ill used so corrupted such a pitiful thing a pet, that I could see him doing it. Not out of malice, just out of pure hunger and survival...

Inziladun · 06-04-2017, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Saruman was skilled in treachery and lies. So I'm on that side more, however Grima was so ill used so corrupted such a pitiful thing a pet, that I could see him doing it. Not out of malice, just out of pure hunger and survival...

It's hard to imagine that Wormtongue could have been that desperate.

Granted, he'd been ordered apparently to stay out of sight and do his dirty work at night, but surely there was some sort of wretched food he could subsist on. There were the Shirrif-houses, and local Hobbit-holes and houses would have had gardens he could raid.

Morthoron · 06-05-2017, 08:32 AM

Good question. It has been noted that the appetizers known as "finger food" originated in the Shire.

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Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	I agree with the topic starter. Saruman was showing his contempt for Wormtongue both by calling him "Worm", and by insinuating the cannibalism. Wormtongue's protest that Saruman "made him do it" referred only to the actual murder of Lotho in his sleep. Debased as Wormtongue was, I wouldn't think he was fallen enough to eat a Hobbit out of an Orcish evil, or that the food situation at Bag End was that bad. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

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Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Saruman was skilled in treachery and lies. So I'm on that side more, however Grima was so ill used so corrupted such a pitiful thing a pet, that I could see him doing it. Not out of malice, just out of pure hunger and survival... __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

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Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	Good question. It has been noted that the appetizers known as "finger food" originated in the Shire. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.