What do you think will be in the EE?

[The Only Real Estel]

*Warning, long post*

Very!

Say by the way! In TTT, it showed Elrond watching as the Elves, including Arwen, walked out the gate. That’s not the same march as the “last march of Arwen Undomiel” that we see in RotK, is it?

I think it's pretty safe to assume that it was, that's what I always guessed at least.

If anyone watched the ABC/NBC whatever documentary (should have been included on the DVD!), you can see that Aragorn and Gimli team up to defeat the “cauliflower head”.

I saw that, but I wonder how PJ will have 'Gothmog' weasel his way out of the trampling at the hooves of the Rohirrim's horses that RotK so obviously implied.

I don’t know what to make about Gandalf supposedly losing his staff. It’s true, we do not see him with it afterwards, and we know there was a confrontation, but Gandalf later has his staff at the Grey Havens.

It doesn’t make sense if Gandalf later appears with it at the Grey Havens....

I've heard from many different sources that Gandalf's staff is broken by the Witch King, I'm 99.99% sure it will happen (despite 99.99% being a cliche). Not exactly sure where he gets his staff from, but he got after Saruman's confiscating of his old one, & he got one after Moria, so I assume he has connections .

[Kitanna]

I believe, though I am not quite sure, that Grima kills Saruman by pushing him off the tower at Isengard. I'm entirely sure because my sources on many things are unreliable.

[The Saucepan Man]

I believe that Sam used only the Phial to get past the Watchers.

Yes, so Estel and Essex reminded me. Thanks for highlighting my ignorance once more.

He does in the game, and that would be the only thing that would explain why they believe Frodo is dead. Also, what other purpose would the Mouth serve, if he didn’t have tokens to show them?

Yes, I agree. But my point still stands. How does the Mouth get hold of the Mithril Shirt and knowledge of the Hobbits when Shagrat gets skewered by Sam and there appear to be no other Orcs left alive in the Tower? It is possible that Shagrat escapes in the EE, although that would be quite a big change. Or it may just be left as a plot hole ...

[Kath]

I recall in the film that when Sam came upon the Orcs in the Tower one of the four ran back up the stairs. Was he the one that Sam then skewered because if not then this could be how the news and the shirt got back to Sauron.

[The Only Real Estel]

I believe, though I am not quite sure, that Grima kills Saruman by pushing him off the tower at Isengard. I'm entirely sure because my sources on many things are unreliable.

Grima stabs Saruman & then pushes him off the tower, Saruman presumably getting his fall broken by one of the spokes & a spiked wheel. Then Legolas kills Grima with an arrow that first soars over his head, then spirals down into Grima's skull even as he laughs at Legolas's 'inaccuaracy' (Grima should've known better ).

I recall in the film that when Sam came upon the Orcs in the Tower one of the four ran back up the stairs. Was he the one that Sam then skewered because if not then this could be how the news and the shirt got back to Sauron.

If I remember right, they show 4 orcs, but Sam only kills 3. They never show what happened to the 4th orc in the theatrical release, so it would correct an 'error' that I'm sure is listed on many websites if they showed him running away to get the news/mithril shirt out (I know that Gorbag wasn't one of the 4 orcs there on the steps) in the EE.

Yes, so Estel and Essex reminded me. Thanks for highlighting my ignorance once more.

Oh, can I remind you again!!??

[Knight of Gondor]

If I remember right, they show 4 orcs, but Sam only kills 3. They never show what happened to the 4th orc in the theatrical release, so it would correct an 'error' that I'm sure is listed on many websites if they showed him running away to get the news/mithril shirt out (I know that Grishnak wasn't one of the 4 orcs there on the steps) in the EE.

Um..."that's for Mr. Frodo! {1} And the Shire! {2} AND THAT'S FOR MY OLD GAFFER! {3} ... Not if I stick you first! {4}.

But my point still stands. How does the Mouth get hold of the Mithril Shirt and knowledge of the Hobbits when Shagrat gets skewered by Sam and there appear to be no other Orcs left alive in the Tower? It is possible that Shagrat escapes in the EE, although that would be quite a big change.

Relying in info from the video game, one orc that was lying nearly unconscious gets up, grabs the shirt, ducks down the passage, and runs out the tunnel.

[The Only Real Estel]

Um..."that's for Mr. Frodo! {1} And the Shire! {2} AND THAT'S FOR MY OLD GAFFER! {3} ... Not if I stick you first! {4}.

Are you sure Gorbag (the green one) was the 4th? I didn't think he was there, but I guess he could have been...

one orc that was lying nearly unconscious gets up, grabs the shirt, ducks down the passage, and runs out the tunnel

That would work perfectly fine, although it might seem a little strange that a random orc happens to grab the shirt while saving his own life. Mark it down to him being an especially greedy orc I guess .