What do you think will be in the EE?

[The Saucepan Man]

I believe that Sam used only the Phial to get past the Watchers.

Yes, so Estel and Essex reminded me. Thanks for highlighting my ignorance once more.

He does in the game, and that would be the only thing that would explain why they believe Frodo is dead. Also, what other purpose would the Mouth serve, if he didn’t have tokens to show them?

Yes, I agree. But my point still stands. How does the Mouth get hold of the Mithril Shirt and knowledge of the Hobbits when Shagrat gets skewered by Sam and there appear to be no other Orcs left alive in the Tower? It is possible that Shagrat escapes in the EE, although that would be quite a big change. Or it may just be left as a plot hole ...

[Kath]

I recall in the film that when Sam came upon the Orcs in the Tower one of the four ran back up the stairs. Was he the one that Sam then skewered because if not then this could be how the news and the shirt got back to Sauron.

[The Only Real Estel]

I believe, though I am not quite sure, that Grima kills Saruman by pushing him off the tower at Isengard. I'm entirely sure because my sources on many things are unreliable.

Grima stabs Saruman & then pushes him off the tower, Saruman presumably getting his fall broken by one of the spokes & a spiked wheel. Then Legolas kills Grima with an arrow that first soars over his head, then spirals down into Grima's skull even as he laughs at Legolas's 'inaccuaracy' (Grima should've known better ).

I recall in the film that when Sam came upon the Orcs in the Tower one of the four ran back up the stairs. Was he the one that Sam then skewered because if not then this could be how the news and the shirt got back to Sauron.

If I remember right, they show 4 orcs, but Sam only kills 3. They never show what happened to the 4th orc in the theatrical release, so it would correct an 'error' that I'm sure is listed on many websites if they showed him running away to get the news/mithril shirt out (I know that Gorbag wasn't one of the 4 orcs there on the steps) in the EE.

Yes, so Estel and Essex reminded me. Thanks for highlighting my ignorance once more.

Oh, can I remind you again!!??

[Knight of Gondor]

If I remember right, they show 4 orcs, but Sam only kills 3. They never show what happened to the 4th orc in the theatrical release, so it would correct an 'error' that I'm sure is listed on many websites if they showed him running away to get the news/mithril shirt out (I know that Grishnak wasn't one of the 4 orcs there on the steps) in the EE.

Um..."that's for Mr. Frodo! {1} And the Shire! {2} AND THAT'S FOR MY OLD GAFFER! {3} ... Not if I stick you first! {4}.

But my point still stands. How does the Mouth get hold of the Mithril Shirt and knowledge of the Hobbits when Shagrat gets skewered by Sam and there appear to be no other Orcs left alive in the Tower? It is possible that Shagrat escapes in the EE, although that would be quite a big change.

Relying in info from the video game, one orc that was lying nearly unconscious gets up, grabs the shirt, ducks down the passage, and runs out the tunnel.

[The Only Real Estel]

Um..."that's for Mr. Frodo! {1} And the Shire! {2} AND THAT'S FOR MY OLD GAFFER! {3} ... Not if I stick you first! {4}.

Are you sure Gorbag (the green one) was the 4th? I didn't think he was there, but I guess he could have been...

one orc that was lying nearly unconscious gets up, grabs the shirt, ducks down the passage, and runs out the tunnel

That would work perfectly fine, although it might seem a little strange that a random orc happens to grab the shirt while saving his own life. Mark it down to him being an especially greedy orc I guess .

[Nimiriel]

Well, I'm with you guys on most of what's been said here. I do have a comment though: I'm pretty shure PJ has stated that there will be a bloopers reel for each of the main characters (my question being 'How many does he concider MCs?'), though I have no reference to where or when this statement was made. Also I heard a rumor (nothing more, but I cling to it with high hopes) that the EE will last a total of 290 mins! (4 hours and 50 mins)... It'd be AMAZING if that's true!!!

Well, that's all for now guys and yes (who ever said so somewhere up the thread) it IS great to be back at the Downs!

[Mithalwen]

All I would say is that in some respects the other EEs are going to be a better indicator of what happens than the cinema version .... I mean in FOTR there is a huge difference between what happens in Lorien ...... just a thought....

But if there is no more to the Faramir / Aragorn / Eowyn thing than that smug look... I will be annoyed