Regarding Gríma and Éowyn - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Encaitare · 07-17-2004, 09:20 PM

I don't know what Tolkien would have thought of the "almost giving in" scene, but it's my favorite of TTT

You're probably right that he wouldn't have liked it just because there's so much sexual tension and all that (something the books are quite devoid of).

However, I think that if Eowyn's despair were to grow great enough, she would have given in. Maybe. Who knows? All I know is it's fun to write about in AU fanfiction!

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-19-2004, 10:17 AM

I hope I never stumble upon those fanfics.

Congratulations to Estel for pointing out the difference between brute strength and circumstantial swordsmanship. It had to be done.

Noxomanus · 07-19-2004, 12:56 PM

Should he try to, he would have planned it while Eowyn would be caught by suprise. That would definately give him an edge. Also, I think his strength would be at least equal to her own.

But then I don't think he would have done it, afraid as he was of Eomer. Yes he did seem to have a sort of genuine love for her wich would mean he would never try to rape her......at least not for as long as she wasn't his 'prize'.

So, I think he wouldn't rape her,but should he try to..he'd have been able to do it.

Encaitare · 07-19-2004, 02:18 PM

Good point, Noxomanus.

I'm sorry you feel that way, Eomer ("I hope I never stumble upon those fanfics.") They're ever so fun.

Encaitare · 07-19-2004, 08:47 PM

Oh.... Eomer, did you think I meant it's fun to write AU fics in which he does rape her? Because that's not what I meant at all! (I was just thinking about this thread and that thought that you might have interpreted what I said the wrong way popped into my head.) I meant it's fun to write fics which analyze and try to interpret his complex feelings for her.

Elianna · 07-20-2004, 09:33 AM

I'm thinking Gríma was more of a stalker. From what I know of stalkers' mind sets (and I could be absolutely wrong on this), Gríma would have but Éowyn on hugely tall pedastal, seeing her as high and perfect because of this, his raping her would defile that perfection.

Could be, following that logic, that Gríma would try to kill Éowyn, or maybe Faramir, if he had lived to know that they had married. The kind of "If I can't have her, no one will" thing.

Lalaith · 07-20-2004, 10:18 AM

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circumstantial swordsmanship

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No doubt Grima could've killed the Witch-King if he fell right in front of him

What's all this about? Look chaps, Eowyn was a great warrior. Tolkien says so.

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A swift stroke she dealt, skilled and deadly.

07-17-2004, 09:20 PM	#1
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Response to Lalaith and the Only Real Estel I don't know what Tolkien would have thought of the "almost giving in" scene, but it's my favorite of TTT You're probably right that he wouldn't have liked it just because there's so much sexual tension and all that (something the books are quite devoid of). However, I think that if Eowyn's despair were to grow great enough, she would have given in. Maybe. Who knows? All I know is it's fun to write about in AU fanfiction!

07-19-2004, 10:17 AM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	I hope I never stumble upon those fanfics. Congratulations to Estel for pointing out the difference between brute strength and circumstantial swordsmanship. It had to be done. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-19-2004, 12:56 PM	#3
Noxomanus Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 233	Should he try to, he would have planned it while Eowyn would be caught by suprise. That would definately give him an edge. Also, I think his strength would be at least equal to her own. But then I don't think he would have done it, afraid as he was of Eomer. Yes he did seem to have a sort of genuine love for her wich would mean he would never try to rape her......at least not for as long as she wasn't his 'prize'. So, I think he wouldn't rape her,but should he try to..he'd have been able to do it. __________________ Nothing is evil in the beginning,even Sauron wasn't

07-20-2004, 09:33 AM	#6
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	I'm thinking Gríma was more of a stalker. From what I know of stalkers' mind sets (and I could be absolutely wrong on this), Gríma would have but Éowyn on hugely tall pedastal, seeing her as high and perfect because of this, his raping her would defile that perfection. Could be, following that logic, that Gríma would try to kill Éowyn, or maybe Faramir, if he had lived to know that they had married. The kind of "If I can't have her, no one will" thing. __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

07-19-2004, 02:18 PM	#4
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Good point, Noxomanus. I'm sorry you feel that way, Eomer ("I hope I never stumble upon those fanfics.") They're ever so fun.

07-19-2004, 08:47 PM	#5
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Oh.... Eomer, did you think I meant it's fun to write AU fics in which he does rape her? Because that's not what I meant at all! (I was just thinking about this thread and that thought that you might have interpreted what I said the wrong way popped into my head.) I meant it's fun to write fics which analyze and try to interpret his complex feelings for her.