Regarding Gríma and Éowyn - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Encaitare · 07-19-2004, 02:18 PM

Good point, Noxomanus.

I'm sorry you feel that way, Eomer ("I hope I never stumble upon those fanfics.") They're ever so fun.

Encaitare · 07-19-2004, 08:47 PM

Oh.... Eomer, did you think I meant it's fun to write AU fics in which he does rape her? Because that's not what I meant at all! (I was just thinking about this thread and that thought that you might have interpreted what I said the wrong way popped into my head.) I meant it's fun to write fics which analyze and try to interpret his complex feelings for her.

Elianna · 07-20-2004, 09:33 AM

I'm thinking Gríma was more of a stalker. From what I know of stalkers' mind sets (and I could be absolutely wrong on this), Gríma would have but Éowyn on hugely tall pedastal, seeing her as high and perfect because of this, his raping her would defile that perfection.

Could be, following that logic, that Gríma would try to kill Éowyn, or maybe Faramir, if he had lived to know that they had married. The kind of "If I can't have her, no one will" thing.

Lalaith · 07-20-2004, 10:18 AM

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circumstantial swordsmanship

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No doubt Grima could've killed the Witch-King if he fell right in front of him

What's all this about? Look chaps, Eowyn was a great warrior. Tolkien says so.

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A swift stroke she dealt, skilled and deadly.

The Only Real Estel · 07-20-2004, 10:24 AM

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What's all this about? Look chaps, Eowyn was a great warrior. Tolkien says so.

A great warrior yes, no denying it. But to say that because Eowyn killed the Witch-King with a sword means that she could also fight off an attempt to rape her by Grima without a sword is stretching quite far.

Imladris · 07-20-2004, 10:30 AM

Grima wasn't a weakling. He killed Saruman and Lotho and who knew how many. It has also been found that the most skinny, weakish looking creatures are rather strong (Gollum, for example).

The quote that Lalaith quoted, how Eowyn had a swift stroke, skilled and deadly, refers to her swordsmanship. You can be clever with a blade yet not be able to fight with your fists. Now, I doubt that Eowyn would carry a sword with her at all times, being a woman and all. So, I do believe it possible that Grima could have overcome her if he wanted to rape her.

07-20-2004, 10:42 AM

i know that eowyn's a strong women, mentally/physically... whatever, but that doesn't mean that she could beat Grima, a fairly pathetic example of his race.

in reality, the weakest man can almost always beat the strongest woman (unless they know where to aim

). I'm 5'7", and work outside a lot, with horses etc, so am stronger than average, but a guy quite a bit smaller than me would probably have little difficulty in overpowering me if he put his mind to it.

this has nothing to do with sexism / girl power / pride / strength of mind, whatever.... it's a simple fact of life... guys are stronger. full stop.

on the other hand, i don't know that grima really would rape eowyn. I'd say he was too much of a coward. He'd lose all influence within the kingdom of Rohan if he did, so he probably wouldn't risk.

also, eowyn was the only thing clean or pure within his life, and i don't believe he would let himself dirty something this pure.

07-20-2004, 09:33 AM	#3
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	I'm thinking Gríma was more of a stalker. From what I know of stalkers' mind sets (and I could be absolutely wrong on this), Gríma would have but Éowyn on hugely tall pedastal, seeing her as high and perfect because of this, his raping her would defile that perfection. Could be, following that logic, that Gríma would try to kill Éowyn, or maybe Faramir, if he had lived to know that they had married. The kind of "If I can't have her, no one will" thing. __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

07-20-2004, 10:30 AM	#6
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	Grima wasn't a weakling. He killed Saruman and Lotho and who knew how many. It has also been found that the most skinny, weakish looking creatures are rather strong (Gollum, for example). The quote that Lalaith quoted, how Eowyn had a swift stroke, skilled and deadly, refers to her swordsmanship. You can be clever with a blade yet not be able to fight with your fists. Now, I doubt that Eowyn would carry a sword with her at all times, being a woman and all. So, I do believe it possible that Grima could have overcome her if he wanted to rape her. __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

07-19-2004, 02:18 PM	#1
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Good point, Noxomanus. I'm sorry you feel that way, Eomer ("I hope I never stumble upon those fanfics.") They're ever so fun.

07-19-2004, 08:47 PM	#2
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Oh.... Eomer, did you think I meant it's fun to write AU fics in which he does rape her? Because that's not what I meant at all! (I was just thinking about this thread and that thought that you might have interpreted what I said the wrong way popped into my head.) I meant it's fun to write fics which analyze and try to interpret his complex feelings for her.

07-20-2004, 10:42 AM	#7
drunken dragon Guest Posts: n/a	i know that eowyn's a strong women, mentally/physically... whatever, but that doesn't mean that she could beat Grima, a fairly pathetic example of his race. in reality, the weakest man can almost always beat the strongest woman (unless they know where to aim ). I'm 5'7", and work outside a lot, with horses etc, so am stronger than average, but a guy quite a bit smaller than me would probably have little difficulty in overpowering me if he put his mind to it. this has nothing to do with sexism / girl power / pride / strength of mind, whatever.... it's a simple fact of life... guys are stronger. full stop. on the other hand, i don't know that grima really would rape eowyn. I'd say he was too much of a coward. He'd lose all influence within the kingdom of Rohan if he did, so he probably wouldn't risk. also, eowyn was the only thing clean or pure within his life, and i don't believe he would let himself dirty something this pure.