Annoying Unbelievers

[ohtatyaro]

Mifire - I meant to put it to into "annoying Experts". Probably I will. But those dudes might be unbelievers too - I mean, if you try to tell them they are wrong, they won't beleive you.

[Gil-Galad]

well i have ot admit one thing, when i was very young and havn't read hte books yet, i played a lotr map on a game, there i thought that Glorfindel was a woman...

[Morsul the Dark]

here is one question that annoys me "Does the ring really say all of that?" obviously

and secondly "whats so grat about ents?" ents are my favorite race speaking of which does anyone know any books pertaining(sp?) to just ents i wish to learn more about them woops i just asked a dumb question eh? oh werll i would like to know sorry to interrupt the topic

oh and here's a common question"why doesn't Gandalf take the ring?" grrr

[Silmiel of Imladris]

one of my friends, who knew a lot of Greek and Roman mythology, had trouble understanding that the Valar were not like the Greek and Roman gods, that there were not Valar of love, and war and the moon, etc. She thought that-for example-Varda was the "goddess" of the stars, Yavanna was the 'goddess' of the earth...

Posted by Novlamothien

I don't know too much about this either, but I can see where your friend is coming from. I read the part where they explain each Valar again and in my opinion there are ties between them and not just greek mythology, but I see others as well. Now when it comes to being Varda as the Goddess of the stars you are right for the Valar are not assigned to just one thing. But neither are the Greek gods. For example, my favorite and patron Apollo is mostly known as the God of the Sun. Well like Varda being the lady of the stars he is much more than a sun god. He is the god of music and dancing, of prophecy, of healing, of truth (he can't tell a lie) of argiculture, protector of young men. So I feel that your friend was right when we dig a little deeper and is the not such an "annoying unbeliver". I hope that answers your question and sheds light on the subject.

Unless you meant that the Valar are not "Goddesses" but I too have always seen them as that for they are still deities whatever name you give them. And when I say deities I mean an imbodiment of energy that we believe in a pray to, ei, God, Jesus, Allah, Budha, Apollo. Which is exactly what the Valar are.

[Esgallhugwen]

I must relate this story in third person because it happened with my Mom at work. They were discussing if Wizards were human or not. Of course my Mom is knowledgible enough to say that they are not, that they are spirits that were sent to protect Middle-Earth. She tried to read the Silm when she was younger but never got through it so she doesn't know about the Valar and Maiar being the same but of different class. Anyway she was trying to convince her co-workers of this and they just weren't getting it and they were argueing that Gandalf was human because he died and because he was old. She said he was sent to ME as an old man to represent wisdom and a humble nature and that it wasn't his true form and that he didn't really die per-se but was reincarnated to a higher level. Which in my humble opinion isn't far from the truth if it isn't the truth.

And then there are some of the typical questions that some of you have already posted. And since I have no friends that are as deeply into LOR as I am whenever they may ask a question (usually about the movies) and I try to explain whatever it is to them they seem the more confused because of it. *Sigh*

p.s. I like you signatures Saraphim and you too Gil-Galad!

[Lachwen]

The one I get all the time is "Why didn't Gandalf just blast the Ring?" And the ever-present "Why didn't Gandalf kill Sauron?" And when I try to explain to them the Valar's ban on the Istari challenging Sauron with open show of force, they just get confused and angry, like Homer Simpson when he doesn't understand.

But the greatest was the argument I got into with a random person in front of the theater once... He was talking about how hardcore Arwen was, "You know she drowned the Ringwraiths!" And when I told him that Arwen at the Fords was just a product of Peter Jackson's imagination and it was really Glorfindel who saved Frodo at the Fords...sweet angry Jeebus, I thought he was going to punch me in the face.

[Morsul the Dark]

Well one question that arose was "If the ring attracts Sauron when someone wears it why don't they detect it when Bilbo has t or Gollum?" and I relized I don't know the answer but if someone tells me I'
ll try not be an annoying unbeliever.

and secondly I'll admit before I came to this site I'd probably be considered an annoying non-believr I thought I knew everything then I came here and learned I knew very little