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Evisse the Blue · 07-05-2004, 02:51 PM

Is it Celebrian?
Born of gold and silver - her mother was Galadriel and her father Celeborn
Linked morning and evening - linked Galadriel to Arwen
Freed from darkness but not shadow - She was healed after her ordeal, but the joy of living left her
Left love for light - left for Valinor instead of staying with Elrond
Reunion was eternal separation - she was eternally separated from Arwen

Mithalwen · 07-06-2004, 12:08 PM

Absolutely spot on...... Poor Elrond really was torn in all directions wasn't he? Always felt I would have liked to have known more about Celebrian .....

Evisse the Blue · 07-06-2004, 04:10 PM

Me too! So much could have been said between the two of them...

Born of love between the fairest,
I destroyed my father's dearest.
I created a desire,
I am a tormenting fire,
Still my heart is black.
I put the story on its track.

Bombadil · 07-06-2004, 05:25 PM

Fëanor?

Evisse the Blue · 07-07-2004, 02:12 AM

Correct!

Bombadil · 07-07-2004, 11:55 AM

We're 2 of the 5
Came across in the 3rd
Are we even alive?
Of us there are few words.

Mithalwen · 07-07-2004, 12:10 PM

Alatar and Pallando the 2 Blue Wizards (with Saruman, Gandalf and Radagast forming the 5 Istari) who came to ME in the Third age and disappeared into the far East never to be heard of again..?

Bombadil · 07-13-2004, 06:43 PM

Very correct!

Gil-Galad · 07-13-2004, 09:28 PM

*bump*

Mithalwen · 07-14-2004, 01:31 PM

Star-browed, the lonely bride
wept bitterly, admidst the sheep
Tree-lord would not home abide;
He roamed too long across the deep.

An easy one....but rhyming after a fashion......

Evisse the Blue · 07-14-2004, 01:50 PM

Erendis pining for Aldarion.

Mithalwen · 07-15-2004, 12:05 PM

Yep .... my limited knowledge of Elvish translates Erendis as lonely bride, known as Elestirne because of the jewel she wore, living in the sheep lands of Emerie... Aldarion = lord of trees...

All yours...... And it was a seriously dysfunctional relationship - but I always think people who think that Tolkien is a boy's own adventure writer should read this one..... he really knew people

Evisse the Blue · 07-16-2004, 09:47 AM

Uprooted and lonely,
Yet a joy to behold,
A home for latecomers
From the days of old.

Mithalwen · 07-18-2004, 11:13 AM

Well since noone else has had a shot... Tol Eressea - the lonely Isle that was transport and home to the elves...

The Perky Ent · 07-18-2004, 10:58 PM

That's probably right, but I'll guess the other one. Numenor

Evisse the Blue · 07-19-2004, 03:50 AM

Mithalwen has it.

Mithalwen · 07-21-2004, 01:04 PM

Balrog's bane,
Came back again-
Twice aided a flight
From the forces of night
Person of might
Clad in white light.

Morsul the Dark · 07-21-2004, 01:12 PM

Gandalf?

killed a balrog
came back after death
Gwaihir(i think) flew him from orthanc and he was saved by the eagles in the hobbit
he was strong
and he was gandalf the white

boy if this is wrong i will cry

paavo · 07-21-2004, 01:14 PM

this seems so obvious that i'm certain there is some trick here.

but I'll take the bait: Gandalf

Balrog's bane, ---- obvious
Came back again- ---- obvious too

Twice aided a flight
From the forces of night ---- aided the fellowship to escape from the wolves and from the Balrog
Person of might ---- obvious
Clad in white light. ---- obvious.

Morsul the Dark · 07-21-2004, 01:19 PM

ew we cross-posted that stinks
you're right though it almost seemed too obvious to me as well

Fingolfin II · 07-22-2004, 01:11 AM

Right, I'll go for the less obvious one- was it Glorfindel?

Balrog's bane- killed the Balrog he fought with on the mountain peak.
Came back again- was reborn and a part of Elrond's household (though this isn't certain, that's true).
Twice aided a flight, from the forces of night- he helped Frodo escape the Nazgul, and aided the escapees of Gondolin.
Person of might- described as an Elf-lord of the Firstborn, who has dwelt in the Blessed Realm.
Clad in white light- was shown to be 'an Elf-lord revealed in his wrath', when the Nazgul tried to cross the Bruinen, as he was a shining white figure.

I doubt this is the right answer, but I must cover all contingencies!

Gil-Galad · 07-22-2004, 10:18 AM

another reason could be Echthelion

Balrog's bane- killed Gothmog, lord of the Balrogs
Came back again- the stewards of Gondor took his name, so he was kind of reborn
Twice aided a flight, from the forces of night- well, back in beleriand he helped get Gondolins troops back to Gondolin and stalled aganest evil forces in the courtyard
Person of might- described as an Elf-lord of the Firstborn, who has dwelt in the Blessed Realm.
Clad in white light- Elf-Lord! pretty strong!

Mithalwen · 07-22-2004, 11:20 AM

2 people fell into the "Trap for Heffalumps"

...... Gandalf... far too obvious and the flight clue would be a little weak... not what you associate him with- Fingolfin is right on all counts.... Glorfindel was the one I meant - Ecthelion well I think the clues would have been too tenuous.... although I am a bit sneaky and like to be subtle, once you know the clues fit quite tidily. Incidentally, and because it bears on this... JRRT decided that Glorfindel of Gondolin and Glorfindel of Rivendell were the same and Glorfindel had been exceptionally returned to ME for a purpose... to aid Gandalf in the fight against Sauron (HoME)

Fingolfin II · 07-23-2004, 12:48 AM

Thanks, Mithalwen.

With foilage as dark as the night,
Refused to listen to the Darker One in his plight.
He fought and retreated,
Bruised, but not yet beated.
Created a haven, yet lost my wife,
Had a daughter yet death took her life.
Sundered from father and mother,
He is forever separated from his brother.

Gil-Galad · 07-23-2004, 10:16 AM

Turgon me thinks?

Gil-Galad · 07-23-2004, 10:18 AM

maybe even Hurin?

The Perky Ent · 07-23-2004, 10:36 AM

Could it be Elrond?

Morsul the Dark · 07-23-2004, 10:42 AM

ill say fangorn it used to be so vast and prt of it fought the hobbits

seperated from its brother lost his wife

the daughter is the only clue throwing me off

Mithalwen · 07-23-2004, 11:52 AM

I would have said Elrond but I can't explain the first 2 lines....

Gil-Galad · 07-23-2004, 12:57 PM

Sauron tried to convince Gil-Galad adn Elrond to help him with his rings, but they would not lend an ear

Fingolfin II · 07-23-2004, 09:57 PM

Perky Ent has it! It is indeed Elrond- foilage as dark as night (Elrond had midnight hair); refused to listen to the Darker One in his plight (he and Gil-galad refused to listen to Sauron when he disguised himself as Annatar).

The Perky Ent · 07-23-2004, 10:42 PM

Yay! My dead giveaway was the last bit

Quote:

Had a daughter yet death took her life.
He is forever separated from his brother.

The choice of Arwen and Elros' choice of mortality stuck in my mind. I don't know why it does that

Anyways, here's the next one:

Faced the noble, killed the rescuer.
Killed the vain, and retreated into darkness
guarded by stone, and weilded a dwarfs favor.
My kin saved the light, and retreated from it.
Killed by the one born twice more,
I ruled with a firm grip

It's probably easier than I think. Have fun!

Bombadil · 07-24-2004, 01:42 AM

Turin Turambar?

The Perky Ent · 07-24-2004, 09:06 AM

Turin? No.

Gil-Galad · 07-24-2004, 12:27 PM

Maeglin maybe? or one of the sons of Feanor?

The Perky Ent · 07-24-2004, 09:06 PM

Maeglin? Nope. And it isn't a son of Feanor either. Definitly not.

Iarwain · 07-30-2004, 06:48 AM

Are you Carcharoth?

The Perky Ent · 07-30-2004, 10:29 AM

Nope

Morsul the Dark · 07-30-2004, 10:45 AM

Sauron?

The Perky Ent · 07-30-2004, 10:46 AM

No, but you're getting close

07-05-2004, 02:51 PM	#81
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Is it Celebrian? Born of gold and silver - her mother was Galadriel and her father Celeborn Linked morning and evening - linked Galadriel to Arwen Freed from darkness but not shadow - She was healed after her ordeal, but the joy of living left her Left love for light - left for Valinor instead of staying with Elrond Reunion was eternal separation - she was eternally separated from Arwen __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

07-06-2004, 04:10 PM	#83
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Me too! So much could have been said between the two of them... Born of love between the fairest, I destroyed my father's dearest. I created a desire, I am a tormenting fire, Still my heart is black. I put the story on its track. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

07-06-2004, 05:25 PM	#84
Bombadil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Old Forest Posts: 488	Fëanor? __________________ "'Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.'"

07-07-2004, 02:12 AM	#85
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Correct! __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

07-07-2004, 11:55 AM	#86
Bombadil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Old Forest Posts: 488	We're 2 of the 5 Came across in the 3rd Are we even alive? Of us there are few words. __________________ "'Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.'"

07-06-2004, 12:08 PM	#82
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Absolutely spot on...... Poor Elrond really was torn in all directions wasn't he? Always felt I would have liked to have known more about Celebrian .....

07-07-2004, 12:10 PM	#87
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Alatar and Pallando the 2 Blue Wizards (with Saruman, Gandalf and Radagast forming the 5 Istari) who came to ME in the Third age and disappeared into the far East never to be heard of again..?

07-13-2004, 06:43 PM	#88
Bombadil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Old Forest Posts: 488	Very correct! __________________ "'Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.'"

07-13-2004, 09:28 PM	#89
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	bump __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-14-2004, 01:31 PM	#90
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Star-browed, the lonely bride wept bitterly, admidst the sheep Tree-lord would not home abide; He roamed too long across the deep. An easy one....but rhyming after a fashion...... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 07-14-2004 at 01:34 PM. Reason: syntax

07-14-2004, 01:50 PM	#91
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	yet another bitter love story... Erendis pining for Aldarion. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

07-15-2004, 12:05 PM	#92
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Is there any other kind? Yep .... my limited knowledge of Elvish translates Erendis as lonely bride, known as Elestirne because of the jewel she wore, living in the sheep lands of Emerie... Aldarion = lord of trees... All yours...... And it was a seriously dysfunctional relationship - but I always think people who think that Tolkien is a boy's own adventure writer should read this one..... he really knew people __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-16-2004, 09:47 AM	#93
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	yep, very disfunctional, very realistic ;) Uprooted and lonely, Yet a joy to behold, A home for latecomers From the days of old. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

07-18-2004, 11:13 AM	#94
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Well since noone else has had a shot... Tol Eressea - the lonely Isle that was transport and home to the elves... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-18-2004, 10:58 PM	#95
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	That's probably right, but I'll guess the other one. Numenor __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

07-19-2004, 03:50 AM	#96
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Mithalwen has it. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

07-21-2004, 01:04 PM	#97
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Balrog's bane, Came back again- Twice aided a flight From the forces of night Person of might Clad in white light. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-21-2004, 01:12 PM	#98
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Gandalf? killed a balrog came back after death Gwaihir(i think) flew him from orthanc and he was saved by the eagles in the hobbit he was strong and he was gandalf the white boy if this is wrong i will cry __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

07-21-2004, 01:14 PM	#99
paavo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 426	this seems so obvious that i'm certain there is some trick here. but I'll take the bait: Gandalf Balrog's bane, ---- obvious Came back again- ---- obvious too Twice aided a flight From the forces of night ---- aided the fellowship to escape from the wolves and from the Balrog Person of might ---- obvious Clad in white light. ---- obvious. __________________ It seems to me that trying to live without friends is like milking a bear to get cream for your morning coffee. It is a whole lot of trouble, and then not worth much after you get it.

07-21-2004, 01:19 PM	#100
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	ew we cross-posted that stinks you're right though it almost seemed too obvious to me as well __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

07-22-2004, 01:11 AM	#101
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Right, I'll go for the less obvious one- was it Glorfindel? Balrog's bane- killed the Balrog he fought with on the mountain peak. Came back again- was reborn and a part of Elrond's household (though this isn't certain, that's true). Twice aided a flight, from the forces of night- he helped Frodo escape the Nazgul, and aided the escapees of Gondolin. Person of might- described as an Elf-lord of the Firstborn, who has dwelt in the Blessed Realm. Clad in white light- was shown to be 'an Elf-lord revealed in his wrath', when the Nazgul tried to cross the Bruinen, as he was a shining white figure. I doubt this is the right answer, but I must cover all contingencies! __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

07-22-2004, 10:18 AM	#102
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	another reason could be Echthelion Balrog's bane- killed Gothmog, lord of the Balrogs Came back again- the stewards of Gondor took his name, so he was kind of reborn Twice aided a flight, from the forces of night- well, back in beleriand he helped get Gondolins troops back to Gondolin and stalled aganest evil forces in the courtyard Person of might- described as an Elf-lord of the Firstborn, who has dwelt in the Blessed Realm. Clad in white light- Elf-Lord! pretty strong! __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-22-2004, 11:20 AM	#103
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	2 people fell into the "Trap for Heffalumps" ...... Gandalf... far too obvious and the flight clue would be a little weak... not what you associate him with- Fingolfin is right on all counts.... Glorfindel was the one I meant - Ecthelion well I think the clues would have been too tenuous.... although I am a bit sneaky and like to be subtle, once you know the clues fit quite tidily. Incidentally, and because it bears on this... JRRT decided that Glorfindel of Gondolin and Glorfindel of Rivendell were the same and Glorfindel had been exceptionally returned to ME for a purpose... to aid Gandalf in the fight against Sauron (HoME) __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-23-2004, 12:48 AM	#104
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Thanks, Mithalwen. With foilage as dark as the night, Refused to listen to the Darker One in his plight. He fought and retreated, Bruised, but not yet beated. Created a haven, yet lost my wife, Had a daughter yet death took her life. Sundered from father and mother, He is forever separated from his brother. __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

07-23-2004, 10:16 AM	#105
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Turgon me thinks? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-23-2004, 10:18 AM	#106
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	maybe even Hurin? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-23-2004, 10:36 AM	#107
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Could it be Elrond? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

07-23-2004, 10:42 AM	#108
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	ill say fangorn it used to be so vast and prt of it fought the hobbits seperated from its brother lost his wife the daughter is the only clue throwing me off __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

07-23-2004, 11:52 AM	#109
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I would have said Elrond but I can't explain the first 2 lines.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-23-2004, 12:57 PM	#110
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Sauron tried to convince Gil-Galad adn Elrond to help him with his rings, but they would not lend an ear __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-23-2004, 09:57 PM	#111
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Perky Ent has it! It is indeed Elrond- foilage as dark as night (Elrond had midnight hair); refused to listen to the Darker One in his plight (he and Gil-galad refused to listen to Sauron when he disguised himself as Annatar). __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

07-24-2004, 01:42 AM	#113
Bombadil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Old Forest Posts: 488	Turin Turambar? __________________ "'Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.'"

07-24-2004, 09:06 AM	#114
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Turin? No. __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

07-24-2004, 12:27 PM	#115
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Maeglin maybe? or one of the sons of Feanor? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-24-2004, 09:06 PM	#116
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Maeglin? Nope. And it isn't a son of Feanor either. Definitly not. __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'