The Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-25-2004, 08:32 AM

Indeed, if there was a children's book with adventures similar to The Hobbit but instead called The Warg it would be an altogether darker affair. Riddles and games are associated with Hobbits. However knowledge, strength and wisdom are associated with Wargs.

It reminds me of a news article sometime ago. There was a jester performing in the street. He was a small chubby fellow with a large cheery face. Using the art of mime, he mocked all sorts of animals to the amusement of his (human) crowd. Out of nowhere, a Warg appeared and ripped him to shreds. Surely a lesson to take seriously those things which demand it.

Makes you think...

ninlaith · 07-25-2004, 06:26 PM

Eomer I've come to a conclusion and I have to say.......you must really like wargs. Quite frankly your speaking so passionatly about wargs is what made me read this thread. I also have a little something to say about our belovedly snarling, and furry friends. During highschool I was ordered to read the epic novel Beowulf by the urgings of my teacher who wanted to help me expand my knowledge of Tolkiens readings. With Beowulf being one of Tolkiens favourite novels, I was more than happy to accept the challenge. I absolutley adored the novel. And I couldn't help noticing something. I had read LOTR long before I read Beowulf. With that being said I found myself using the same images I had for the wargs for my image of the deamon creature Grendal. My thoughts are that Tolkien loved the creature Grendal so dearly he felt he sort of needed to pay homage to this incredible being but with much greater numbers and savagery involved. Wargs are incredible creatures. They added another sense of ominous power to the unseen evil that is the Drak Lord.

SamwiseGamgee · 07-26-2004, 04:57 AM

But, ninlaith, there is so much more to wargs than savagery and blood-letting! So deep, diverse and wonderful are they!

I think that perhaps Tolkien wasn't following the lead of Beowulf, but trying to rectify its harsh treatment of wolf-like creatures- and so the warg was created! Hallelujah!

The thing that we must remember here at the appreciation thread is that the wargs which did appear in LOTR(book) represented only a tiny minority of the warg population. On the whole wargs were not 'servants' of evil, but pleasant creatures, trying to impart wisdom to others and generally be nice. In fact, there is an interesting tale of wargs doing just that and being shunned by their helpees. I hope to post it soon. Until then, farewell.

ninlaith · 07-26-2004, 08:15 AM

Even so. It's not that I meant wargs were evil creatures such as Grendal. Just that they were magnificent beings up to Grendals caliber. I just felt Tolkien wanted to pay homage to this creature be it a good way or a bad way. He seemed to love the wargs himself.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-27-2004, 06:54 AM

I would not disagree with that ninlaith, and by the way, if we haven't already welcomed you to The Appreciation Thread (I honestly can't remember, people tend to come and go) then you are due a hearty welcome!

I look forward to this tale Samwise. No doubt it will have me holding back the tears.

07-25-2004, 08:32 AM	#1
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Indeed, if there was a children's book with adventures similar to The Hobbit but instead called The Warg it would be an altogether darker affair. Riddles and games are associated with Hobbits. However knowledge, strength and wisdom are associated with Wargs. It reminds me of a news article sometime ago. There was a jester performing in the street. He was a small chubby fellow with a large cheery face. Using the art of mime, he mocked all sorts of animals to the amusement of his (human) crowd. Out of nowhere, a Warg appeared and ripped him to shreds. Surely a lesson to take seriously those things which demand it. Makes you think... __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-25-2004, 06:26 PM	#2
ninlaith Wight Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: in my hobbit hole Posts: 204	Eomer I've come to a conclusion and I have to say.......you must really like wargs. Quite frankly your speaking so passionatly about wargs is what made me read this thread. I also have a little something to say about our belovedly snarling, and furry friends. During highschool I was ordered to read the epic novel Beowulf by the urgings of my teacher who wanted to help me expand my knowledge of Tolkiens readings. With Beowulf being one of Tolkiens favourite novels, I was more than happy to accept the challenge. I absolutley adored the novel. And I couldn't help noticing something. I had read LOTR long before I read Beowulf. With that being said I found myself using the same images I had for the wargs for my image of the deamon creature Grendal. My thoughts are that Tolkien loved the creature Grendal so dearly he felt he sort of needed to pay homage to this incredible being but with much greater numbers and savagery involved. Wargs are incredible creatures. They added another sense of ominous power to the unseen evil that is the Drak Lord. __________________ "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve!"-Bilbo Baggins

07-26-2004, 04:57 AM	#3
SamwiseGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In the warm bosom of a Warg Posts: 378	But, ninlaith, there is so much more to wargs than savagery and blood-letting! So deep, diverse and wonderful are they! I think that perhaps Tolkien wasn't following the lead of Beowulf, but trying to rectify its harsh treatment of wolf-like creatures- and so the warg was created! Hallelujah! The thing that we must remember here at the appreciation thread is that the wargs which did appear in LOTR(book) represented only a tiny minority of the warg population. On the whole wargs were not 'servants' of evil, but pleasant creatures, trying to impart wisdom to others and generally be nice. In fact, there is an interesting tale of wargs doing just that and being shunned by their helpees. I hope to post it soon. Until then, farewell. __________________ -- Well, I'm back.

07-26-2004, 08:15 AM	#4
ninlaith Wight Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: in my hobbit hole Posts: 204	Even so. It's not that I meant wargs were evil creatures such as Grendal. Just that they were magnificent beings up to Grendals caliber. I just felt Tolkien wanted to pay homage to this creature be it a good way or a bad way. He seemed to love the wargs himself. __________________ "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve!"-Bilbo Baggins

07-27-2004, 06:54 AM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	I would not disagree with that ninlaith, and by the way, if we haven't already welcomed you to The Appreciation Thread (I honestly can't remember, people tend to come and go) then you are due a hearty welcome! I look forward to this tale Samwise. No doubt it will have me holding back the tears. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond