Regarding Gríma and Éowyn - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Cibbwin · 07-29-2004, 07:09 PM

Y'all make it sound like EOWYN is weak. Don't forget that she's described as being a steel blade. She's a tough cookie. No, I don't think Grima is weak, but he's not the most strong person, physically or mentally, either. He uses his words, as someone else pointed out, as his most potent weapon. I have no doubt that Eowyn would beat him to a pulp if he tried anything, and I have no doubt that Grima wouldn't do something like that. He might love her in a stalker-ish way, but he still loves and respects her. Him even attempting anything would disrespect her, and I don't think he wants that.

Encaitare · 08-02-2004, 09:12 PM

A good point you make, Cibbwin. Since he considers her to be so perfect, he wouldn't want to ruin that image of her, or cause her the pain, shame, and anguish that would come with raping her.

Morsul the Dark · 08-02-2004, 09:27 PM

Eowyn is his last thread of humanity
and he has a certain chivalry about him he respects and loves eowyn

He would not rape her he wishes to win her over but he can't but I doubt he would rape er because he rather wait a long time and be with her forever than to have her for a few brief moments and then lose her forever

Encaitare · 08-03-2004, 08:14 AM

Well said, Morsul.

Encaitare: *pats Grima's shoulder* See, not everyone thinks you're awful!
Grima: *is really not that comforted and would just like Encaitare to go away for awhile*

The Only Real Estel · 08-09-2004, 09:32 PM

No, Grima probably wouldn't rape Eowyn, there you're most likely right, Cibbwin.
But I disagree (again) with the idea that Eowyn would 'beat him to a pulp' if he ever tried it. And you can read just about any of my other posts & get quite a few reasons why I think it's silly that Eowyn could beat him in a no-swords-allowed-fight.

Lord of Angmar · 08-10-2004, 11:41 PM

I don't see that this theory, that Grima would necessarily be able to 'overpower' Eowyn, has a leg to stand on.

As to the rape discussion: I hardly think conjecture of this nature is true to the spirit of Tolkien, but there is no reason to believe that Grima (based on his disposition and nature as presented in the books) would be incapable of raping Eowyn, nor that he would be unwilling to commit such a heinous act.

07-29-2004, 07:09 PM	#1
Cibbwin Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 145	Y'all make it sound like EOWYN is weak. Don't forget that she's described as being a steel blade. She's a tough cookie. No, I don't think Grima is weak, but he's not the most strong person, physically or mentally, either. He uses his words, as someone else pointed out, as his most potent weapon. I have no doubt that Eowyn would beat him to a pulp if he tried anything, and I have no doubt that Grima wouldn't do something like that. He might love her in a stalker-ish way, but he still loves and respects her. Him even attempting anything would disrespect her, and I don't think he wants that. __________________ The Warrior Hobbit Nîn o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer; Rimmo nîn Bruinen, dan in Ulaer!

08-02-2004, 09:27 PM	#3
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Eowyn is his last thread of humanity and he has a certain chivalry about him he respects and loves eowyn He would not rape her he wishes to win her over but he can't but I doubt he would rape er because he rather wait a long time and be with her forever than to have her for a few brief moments and then lose her forever __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

08-10-2004, 11:41 PM	#6
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	I don't see that this theory, that Grima would necessarily be able to 'overpower' Eowyn, has a leg to stand on. As to the rape discussion: I hardly think conjecture of this nature is true to the spirit of Tolkien, but there is no reason to believe that Grima (based on his disposition and nature as presented in the books) would be incapable of raping Eowyn, nor that he would be unwilling to commit such a heinous act. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

08-02-2004, 09:12 PM	#2
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	A good point you make, Cibbwin. Since he considers her to be so perfect, he wouldn't want to ruin that image of her, or cause her the pain, shame, and anguish that would come with raping her.

08-03-2004, 08:14 AM	#4
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Well said, Morsul. Encaitare: pats Grima's shoulder See, not everyone thinks you're awful! Grima: is really not that comforted and would just like Encaitare to go away for awhile

08-09-2004, 09:32 PM	#5
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	No, Grima probably wouldn't rape Eowyn, there you're most likely right, Cibbwin. But I disagree (again) with the idea that Eowyn would 'beat him to a pulp' if he ever tried it. And you can read just about any of my other posts & get quite a few reasons why I think it's silly that Eowyn could beat him in a no-swords-allowed-fight.