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Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-13-2004, 03:47 PM

Yes, I agree with the above points. I think that Samwise's humility really shows when he lectures himself for his mistakes. It is not so much that he is unintelligent, rather he is very modest and very willing to acknowledge his own shortcomings.

Like Mithalwen said, he was probably regarded as being queer as opposed to being thick-witted.

InklingElf · 08-13-2004, 04:43 PM

For all of Sam's simple,rural, yet courageable ways I love this about him most:

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And then softly, to his own surprise, there at the vain of his long journey and his grief,moved by what thought in his heart he could not tell, Sam began to sing.

A simpleton can show us that we can still sing in the darkness.

PaleStar · 08-13-2004, 05:12 PM

so true...so very true...

Mithalwen · 08-14-2004, 10:06 AM

If Sam is a fool it is only in theway of the Shakespearean "fool" of Lear....

I am not sure that there is a fundamental difference between Frodo and Sam .... just a difference in Status and education ..... "queerness" tends to be tolerated better in the high status rich than the low-status poor in the same way now that bad behaviour will be accepted as a passing phase of youthful high spirits in a teenager from a privileged background and incipient juvenile delinquency in one from a deprived background.... La plus ca change....

Mithalwen · 03-07-2005, 11:01 AM

HI-ing to compare with nobility thread

Makar · 03-07-2005, 07:45 PM

Speaking of Sam being portayed as dumb...has anyone seen the Ralph Bakshi cartoon of LotR? Sam is...well, special. I don't know why they went out of the way to make him look like the biggest bumpkin ever. Sean Astin's Sam isn't nearly as bad. I never thought of Sam as stupid either, and I felt sorry him because of the kind of class system that made him love and adore Frodo as his Master more than as a friend at times.

Neferchoirwen · 03-11-2005, 02:16 PM

I thought that PJ's take on Sam in the ending of the movies is touching. I noticed that he had a couple of books with him as he approaches Frodo as soon as he enters Bag End. The way Sam carries himself in this scene, as I notice, is far different than the Same we came to know in the journey. It's almost as if he's all grown up, so to speak.

08-13-2004, 03:47 PM	#1
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Yes, I agree with the above points. I think that Samwise's humility really shows when he lectures himself for his mistakes. It is not so much that he is unintelligent, rather he is very modest and very willing to acknowledge his own shortcomings. Like Mithalwen said, he was probably regarded as being queer as opposed to being thick-witted. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

08-13-2004, 05:12 PM	#3
PaleStar Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 43	so true...so very true... __________________ Then down the warrior tumbled/a long and weary way/ 'till at last he rested soundly/ among the water below/ bested by the darkness

08-14-2004, 10:06 AM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	If Sam is a fool it is only in theway of the Shakespearean "fool" of Lear.... I am not sure that there is a fundamental difference between Frodo and Sam .... just a difference in Status and education ..... "queerness" tends to be tolerated better in the high status rich than the low-status poor in the same way now that bad behaviour will be accepted as a passing phase of youthful high spirits in a teenager from a privileged background and incipient juvenile delinquency in one from a deprived background.... La plus ca change.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-07-2005, 11:01 AM	#5
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	HI-ing to compare with nobility thread __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-11-2005, 02:16 PM	#7
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	Sam's books I thought that PJ's take on Sam in the ending of the movies is touching. I noticed that he had a couple of books with him as he approaches Frodo as soon as he enters Bag End. The way Sam carries himself in this scene, as I notice, is far different than the Same we came to know in the journey. It's almost as if he's all grown up, so to speak. __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

03-07-2005, 07:45 PM	#6
Makar Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oklahom Posts: 44	Speaking of Sam being portayed as dumb...has anyone seen the Ralph Bakshi cartoon of LotR? Sam is...well, special. I don't know why they went out of the way to make him look like the biggest bumpkin ever. Sean Astin's Sam isn't nearly as bad. I never thought of Sam as stupid either, and I felt sorry him because of the kind of class system that made him love and adore Frodo as his Master more than as a friend at times.