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Old 11-30-2003, 07:18 AM   #39
Amarie of the Vanyar
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If there were truly no time, music would be impossible, for sound would be impossible.

Tolkien does call Iluvatar's dwelling the "Timeless Halls", but like most fictional depictions of supposedly timeless places or people, it has time quite distinctly built into it. Without time there can be no creation, for that implies the existence at one time of a thing that did not exist at another. There can be no seeking for the Secret Fire alone in the void, no speech, no "at first" or "then" (words which are used in the Ainulindale), etc.
Yes, that was what I intended to say, for us, creatures that live inside Time, it is impossible to imagine how things can happen out of Time (and also out of Space). But that we cannot imagine that, doesn't mean that it is impossible. The Ainulindalë is the explanation the Valar gave to the Elves (creatures that live inside Eä, and therefore inside Time and Space) of the Creation, using words and images that Elves could understand.

It is not that the Timeless Halls are static, but that they are outside Time, outside the dimension we perceive as Time, as well as they are outside the dimensions we perceive as Space.

Considering that not only Time is required to produce the music that we know, but also matter is required, in my opinion, the Music of the Ainur cannot be the same kind of music we are used to. And also, the fact that Time and Matter are required for producing music, it is what makes me think that the Music of the Ainur is being sung during all the History of Eä, i. e., it is being sung at this very moment, and by entering into Eä it is producing the waves that are object of study of the String Theory. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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