Why their were no women in the fellowship - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

lotrfreak90 · 09-06-2004, 08:03 AM

oh, Encaitare

in the council of elrond, correct me if im wrong my memories a little fuzzy, but wasnt arwen part of the council and if not she still could have been a capable candidate!

The Only Real Estel · 09-06-2004, 11:59 AM

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in the council of elrond, correct me if im wrong my memories a little fuzzy, but wasnt arwen part of the council and if not she still could have been a capable candidate!

I don't have my books with me, but I don't think arwen was a part of the council. Besides, I don't think that Arwen would've been a candidate, not unless we're talking about the movie here

. First of all, she wasn't (from what I could tell) a fighter in the books, the 'women-warrior' role was left up to Eowyn. Secondly, Elrond would never have sent his daughter on the quest, & he was the one doing the picking

.

p.s. I don't think Boromir would've had any problems, he was
so into fighting & gaining glory through victory that he probably
rarely gave women a second thought (yeah, he's wierd

).

Encaitare · 09-06-2004, 07:34 PM

Took the words right out of my mouth, Estel. We must indeed keep in mind that book-Arwen was not the fighting type. Plus, Aragorn never would have allowed her to come, anyway, knowing the risks they faced.

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And come to think of it, Sauron missed a move, not giving one of the rings to Queen Beruthiel. But then, maybe Sauron wasn't a cat person.

Aren't cats supposed to have come from Mordor? I can't back that, but I know I saw it on a thread not long ago. But Queen Beruthiel with a ring would have been quite formidable.

ninlaith · 09-06-2004, 08:38 PM

Arwen was part of the council. In fact she was sitting right next to her father and brothers. Perhaps Sir Tolkien thought that a woman in the fellowship would possibly complicate things. As a woman I know we can mess with a man's sometimes sensible head (one of our many gifts....Mwa ha ha haaa).

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-07-2004, 12:58 AM

I just rechecked "The Council of Elrond" to be sure - no, Arwen was not at the council, but only at the festivities on the preceding evening. Just wanting to make sure Tolkien and Mirth don't get mixed up more than necessary...

Mithalwen · 09-07-2004, 11:29 AM

I don't even think that Elladan and Elrohir .... who would have been much better candidates were there. But for plot reasons, I think having a powerful elf-lord would have unbalanced the fellowship...

ninlaith · 09-07-2004, 06:28 PM

sorry Telcontar my mistake. I remembered reading about her sitting beside her father but that was in the Hall of Fire not in the council.....I am ashamed.

yavanna II · 09-23-2004, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

I But for plot reasons, I think having a powerful elf-lord would have unbalanced the fellowship...

I don't get it... a really powerful e.l. would've made the fellowship better in my view....

09-06-2004, 08:03 AM	#1
lotrfreak90 Pile O'Bones Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Penns Woods (pensylvania) Posts: 12	oh, Encaitare in the council of elrond, correct me if im wrong my memories a little fuzzy, but wasnt arwen part of the council and if not she still could have been a capable candidate! __________________ Landis L. T. Z. _____________________________________________ And they shall soar on wings like eagles, they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not grow feint, those who hope in the lord. {Isaiah 40:31}

09-06-2004, 08:38 PM	#4
ninlaith Wight Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: in my hobbit hole Posts: 204	Arwen was part of the council. In fact she was sitting right next to her father and brothers. Perhaps Sir Tolkien thought that a woman in the fellowship would possibly complicate things. As a woman I know we can mess with a man's sometimes sensible head (one of our many gifts....Mwa ha ha haaa). __________________ "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve!"-Bilbo Baggins

09-07-2004, 12:58 AM	#5
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	I just rechecked "The Council of Elrond" to be sure - no, Arwen was not at the council, but only at the festivities on the preceding evening. Just wanting to make sure Tolkien and Mirth don't get mixed up more than necessary... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-07-2004, 11:29 AM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I don't even think that Elladan and Elrohir .... who would have been much better candidates were there. But for plot reasons, I think having a powerful elf-lord would have unbalanced the fellowship... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-07-2004, 06:28 PM	#7
ninlaith Wight Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: in my hobbit hole Posts: 204	sorry Telcontar my mistake. I remembered reading about her sitting beside her father but that was in the Hall of Fire not in the council.....I am ashamed. __________________ "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve!"-Bilbo Baggins