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Tuor of Gondolin · 09-12-2004, 06:29 PM

An additional thought, the role of Eomer could have been crucial. Imagine
Faramir seeks power after marrying Eowyn. What does Eomer do? Stay
neutral, support his sister and her husband against his best buddy, support
Aragorn against his sister's interests? And how would Imrahil be inclined?

By the way, while some are disinterested in this kind of speculation, I tend to
find "counterfactual" historical-type speculation can, on occasion, be
fascinating if done well. I found one book on counterfactual speculations on
World war II events well done (by professional historians and/or military
experts).

Voralphion · 09-12-2004, 07:14 PM

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Imrahil was teh prince of Dol Amroth and had a legitiment call to the throne of gondor,

I don't think he did. I don't believe he was descended from Elendil, either through Isildur or Anarion/Melendil and so would not have had a claim to the throne of Gondor, or the Princes of Dol Amroth would probably made a claim long before.
I don't think the prospect of the people following Faramir is as clear cut as stated. The people were thrilled at the prospect of having a king as soon as Aragorn had arrived and healed the people in the houses of healing. The people wanted a king to return, and bring back Gondor's glory days, so it is possible they would have accepted anyone with a legitimate claim.
If a civil war did break out however and Rohan did intervene on one side, it would have been to support Aragorn. Eomer had a strong friendship with Aragorn and probably woul have supported him. I don't think the prospect of Faramirs relationship with Eowyn would have been a factor, because if Faramir was as power hungry as he would have to have been to start a civil war, I don't think he could have won over Eowyn.

Boromir88 · 09-13-2004, 12:54 PM

Tuor I like the scenario you have brought up, with the whole what would Eomer do? I happen to agree with Voralphion, that Eowyn wouldn't have fallen for Faramir if he was "power hungry." However, you can't help but think, hey maybe this is Eowyn's chance to get back at Aragorn, that is if a Civil War started. But, I don't see Eowyn as a revengeful type. And without the relationship between Faramir and Eowyn, Eomer would definately side with Aragorn.

Also, Lachwen, thankyou for the correction, if I say something wrong I would expect to be corrected.

Snowdog · 09-04-2025, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

Tuor I like the scenario you have brought up, with the whole what would Éomer do? I happen to agree with Voralphion, that Éowyn wouldn't have fallen for Faramir if he was "power hungry." However, you can't help but think, hey maybe this is Éowyn's chance to get back at Aragorn, that is if a Civil War started. But, I don't see Éowyn as a revengeful type. And without the relationship between Faramir and Éowyn, Éomer would definitely side with Aragorn.

Éowyn of Troy?

Adding to the 'what-if's, Had Boromir had lived, then how would the whole mess pan out after the war?

09-12-2004, 06:29 PM	#1
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	An additional thought, the role of Eomer could have been crucial. Imagine Faramir seeks power after marrying Eowyn. What does Eomer do? Stay neutral, support his sister and her husband against his best buddy, support Aragorn against his sister's interests? And how would Imrahil be inclined? By the way, while some are disinterested in this kind of speculation, I tend to find "counterfactual" historical-type speculation can, on occasion, be fascinating if done well. I found one book on counterfactual speculations on World war II events well done (by professional historians and/or military experts). __________________ Aure Entuluva!

09-13-2004, 12:54 PM	#3
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Very nice Tuor I like the scenario you have brought up, with the whole what would Eomer do? I happen to agree with Voralphion, that Eowyn wouldn't have fallen for Faramir if he was "power hungry." However, you can't help but think, hey maybe this is Eowyn's chance to get back at Aragorn, that is if a Civil War started. But, I don't see Eowyn as a revengeful type. And without the relationship between Faramir and Eowyn, Eomer would definately side with Aragorn. Also, Lachwen, thankyou for the correction, if I say something wrong I would expect to be corrected.