PJ's Most Disagreable Mistakes (reasons why he is no longer aloud doing The Hobbit)

[Snowdog]

I wont go into PJ's script and who he had play the characters here, but I will pick on a few technical issues that bugged me with the movies which could have been corrected very simply. The time/space scale was very confusing and really didn't give the watcher a sense of the distances and the time it took to cover it. This was prevalent in the Fellowship as Gandalf rides off from the Shire to Minas Tirth, then to isengard. A simple subtitle 'some months later' or such would have helped. Also, in return of the King, Osgoliath was not that close to Minas Tirith. At the least it was 20 miles away and the most 50 miles away across Pelennor Field, and there was no Rammas Echor wall in the movie.

To be fair, where PJ did capture the proper time/space scale was where the Uruk Hai, and Aragorn, Gimli, & Legolas were running across Rohan.

There is more, but I'm at work so I dont have the time to elaborate. (hears sighs of relief from the downers)

[Sapphire_Flame]

Or at least many of the little speech items that seemed out of place, like:

"Lets hunt some orc!" (Aragorn)

"Why doesn't that suprise me?" (Legolas)

"She-elf" (Blackrider)

And others too.

Along with Captain Obvious: "A diversion!" ... Um?

I was absolutely outraged at the absence of the Scouring of the Shire.

*nod nod* I completely agree with you, ninlaith. It provides an appropriate ending for the journey, and the War. Not to mention at appropriate end for Saruman and Wormtongue (Holy Fire-blasting Wizard Staves, Batman!!)

Abedithon le,

~ Saphy ~

[Boromir88]

Sapphire

It provides an appropriate ending for the journey, and the War.

It also shows the Mental Growth of the hobbits, and their growth mature wise. In the beginning of the book, The Hobbits needed to seek refuge or aid from others, to protect them from "evils" they face, for example Bombadil, Maggot, Faramir (eventhough he's later on) Aragorn, Bree, all provide and protect the Hobbits away from the "evils" that are approaching. Then heading back to the Shire, Gandalf abandons them and says something along the lines "my task is over, this is your task, you must face it..." And here, they don't need help from an "outside" force, they are mature enough, and have "mentally grown" to the point where they can rally the Shire, and combat the ruffians on their own. Something the movie doesn't show well, the mature growth of the hobbits. Also, I believe the physical growth of Merry and Pippin, by drinking the ent draught, symbolizes their growth maturely.

(Holy Fire-blasting Wizard Staves, Batman!!)

All I got to say is LOL HAHAHA! And, Great show, the old ones are the best!

[Encaitare]

Plus, the Scouring shows that even their little hobbity "paradise" is not untouchable. The hardest blow for the hobbits was seeing their home destroyed, but with this part taken out it's just all "La dee da, we saved the world and now we're going back to our perfect home! Go us!" I would have loved to have seen the mallorn tree there, especially. And it provides the proper deaths of Saruman and Grima, not what PJ's got in store! (Check out this thread if you don't mind spoilers.)

Although I must say the hobbits cheekily riding by the old guy sweeping the walkway is priceless.

[Kuruharan]

Something the movie doesn't show well, the mature growth of the hobbits.

Very true. To my mind movie Frodo retained a certain gibbering sissy quality from beginning to end.

This was not a change for the better.

Before you ask, yes, one of the things I was thinking of was that ridiculous (unspeakable, unfathomable, improbable, impossible…) scene with the Nazgul in Osgiliath.