Aragorn, Gollums equal? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

09-17-2004, 05:38 PM

1: Gollum could easily fit into many places where Aragorn could never dream of fitting into.
2: Aragorn's mind was not corrupted by the ring and I believe he would have much more ability to be ever-mindful of his surroundings.
3: Gollum was pretty hell bent on obtaining the ring; a pretty drug-junky oriented situation. Quite an impetus for success, in my opinion.
4: Aragorn was trained to live off of the land. Stealth and sneakery was his job description.
5: Gollum had quite a bit of time to perfect his stealth skills. However, it can't be known if all of that time was used to perfect it. Also, he hardly had any 'formal' tutelage on the subject, unlike Aragorn.

So, to be brief, I don't really think it matters much, because Aragorn carried a sword.

Zebedee · 09-17-2004, 07:52 PM

Gollum also used the ring for stealth, so losing the ring was a big disadvantage to his sneaking. Aragorn never had that luxory so he had to develop his skill the old way.

lathspell · 09-20-2004, 10:51 AM

Gollum shook of both the Men of Faramir in Ithilien and the Elves of Lorien. I can't imagine Aragorn doing anything of the sort.

radagastly · 09-20-2004, 11:38 AM

Don't forget that it was Aragorn that captured Gollum and brought him to the elves of Mirkwood. He managed to out-sneak Gollum on that occasion!

lathspell · 09-20-2004, 12:51 PM

he captured him indeed, but that was at unawares. Gollum was starving at the time and lurking in a pool for fish and what not.
When Frodo is keeping watch on Anduin's banks and sees Gollum Aragorn wakes suddenly and asks what is the matter for he sees Frodo with drawn sword. Frodo says: 'Gollum!'
Aragorn's answer is something like this: 'Ah! So you now about him. Yes, he is following us since moria, I hoped that on the river we would lose him, but he is too cunning a swimmer. I tried to capture him once or twice but he gave me the slip every time.

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Zebedee · 09-20-2004, 04:12 PM

He lived on an island on an underground lake fore centuries, he most likely could give Aragorn the slip on the water.

lathspell · 09-21-2004, 04:57 AM

Do you really believe that Gollum would stay in the water if the Fellowship of the Ring was on the shore? Gollum needed his rest as well as all, and I believe Gollum could give most people the slip if he wanted too, in water or on land, including Aragorn.

09-17-2004, 05:38 PM	#1
herundil Guest Posts: n/a	Tit for tat 1: Gollum could easily fit into many places where Aragorn could never dream of fitting into. 2: Aragorn's mind was not corrupted by the ring and I believe he would have much more ability to be ever-mindful of his surroundings. 3: Gollum was pretty hell bent on obtaining the ring; a pretty drug-junky oriented situation. Quite an impetus for success, in my opinion. 4: Aragorn was trained to live off of the land. Stealth and sneakery was his job description. 5: Gollum had quite a bit of time to perfect his stealth skills. However, it can't be known if all of that time was used to perfect it. Also, he hardly had any 'formal' tutelage on the subject, unlike Aragorn. So, to be brief, I don't really think it matters much, because Aragorn carried a sword.

09-17-2004, 07:52 PM	#2
Zebedee Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 61	Gollum also used the ring for stealth, so losing the ring was a big disadvantage to his sneaking. Aragorn never had that luxory so he had to develop his skill the old way. __________________ If at first you don't succed, then skydiving isn't for you.

09-20-2004, 10:51 AM	#3
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	Gollum shook of both the Men of Faramir in Ithilien and the Elves of Lorien. I can't imagine Aragorn doing anything of the sort. __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'

09-20-2004, 11:38 AM	#4
radagastly Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Washington, D. C., USA Posts: 299	Don't forget that it was Aragorn that captured Gollum and brought him to the elves of Mirkwood. He managed to out-sneak Gollum on that occasion! __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before, I listen for returning feet and voices at the door.

09-20-2004, 12:51 PM	#5
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	he captured him indeed, but that was at unawares. Gollum was starving at the time and lurking in a pool for fish and what not. When Frodo is keeping watch on Anduin's banks and sees Gollum Aragorn wakes suddenly and asks what is the matter for he sees Frodo with drawn sword. Frodo says: 'Gollum!' Aragorn's answer is something like this: 'Ah! So you now about him. Yes, he is following us since moria, I hoped that on the river we would lose him, but he is too cunning a swimmer. I tried to capture him once or twice but he gave me the slip every time. greetings __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'

09-20-2004, 04:12 PM	#6
Zebedee Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 61	He lived on an island on an underground lake fore centuries, he most likely could give Aragorn the slip on the water. __________________ If at first you don't succed, then skydiving isn't for you.

09-21-2004, 04:57 AM	#7
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	Do you really believe that Gollum would stay in the water if the Fellowship of the Ring was on the shore? Gollum needed his rest as well as all, and I believe Gollum could give most people the slip if he wanted too, in water or on land, including Aragorn. __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'