Why their were no women in the fellowship - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-22-2004, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Grrr, I've risen to that particular bait...

Excellent! Then I shall continue ...

*Faramir and Eowyn are sitting at the front of a cart on their way to visit Merry and Pippin in the Shire. Faramir is holding the reigns and Eowyn is holding the map. The kids are in the back, fighting.*

Faramir: There's the sign to Archet again. Didn't we pass that half an hour ago?

Eowyn: I don't think so. Um, take the next right.

Elboron: Are we there yet?

Faramir and Eowyn: For the fiftieth time, NO!

Faramir: Look, are you sure you know where we are?

Eowyn: Yes, right here, next to the bubbly thing.

Faramir: *Looks at map* That's Chetwood ... Doh! You're holding it upside down.

Eowyn: It's easier to read that way. Hey, why don't you ask this Hobbit the way?

Faramir: I am not asking for directions!

Elboron: Are we there yet?

etc

*Saucepan gazes at the non-plussed stares of those around him*

Er ... this is the Mirth forum ... right?

Kransha · 09-22-2004, 05:43 PM

Non-plussed, Herr Saucepan? I prefer "adoring" or perhaps, "idolizing," honestly.

I, a humble member of the fouler sex, lament my ineptitude relating to the fairer. I have dear, dear relationships to many of the species, and yet I remain in the dark. Even now, that I am in the final stretch of hammering down a permanent relationship, I am still, as said, utterly inept. The gender is e'er mysterious, and I fear my own male, boorish, imasculate entourage may never fully understand their intricacies. But, that's all beside the point. I ramble. Mea culpa, as they say.

If there had been women in the Fellowship, I believe many things would be different. But, I must discuss another plausibility (not possibility, plausibility).

Is it not obvious, comrades? There was a woman in the Fellowship.

Gimli, Son of Glóin.

In the cinematic version of The Two Towers, he clearly states that Dwarven women are (read: may or may not) be bearded. Gimli is bearded, and talked of as a 'Son of Gloin' but where is the proof that the manly Dwarf is, in fact, a man? Let's be honest and totally Frank [Sinatra]. There is no proof. The title 'Son of Glóin' has been misinterpreted over the years. A series of lingual flukes, thought of as coincidence, have been disregarded, diverting the true meaning of the title often added to Gimli's name. Gimli is a name taken for granted, and it's meaning oft forgotten, but there are 3 distinct clues as to why Gimli was called the "Son of Glóin."

-Gimli's name meaning is finally revealed in Tolkien Letter 297, dated 1967. Tolkien states that Gimli is a Mannish name, derived from a Nordic tongue. It means 'Fire.'
-In Norse myths, the name Gimli is applied to a Hall in the land of Asgard where great warriors were laid after death. The clue here is that the Hall of Gimli is noted, in the Eddas (I believe) as being 'golden-roofed.'
-In the old lingo of Adûnaic, Gimli can be traced to Gimilkhâd. In the name Gimilkhâd, Gimil means "Star." Thus Gimli can be translated as 'Star.'

So, three clues: Fire, Golden, and Star. Isn't there something all of these words relate to? Some object that bears all three terms? Why, yes, there is. What is golden, fiery, and a Star? Isn't it obvious? THE SUN. So, the title "Son of Gloin," really referred to Gimli's name, not his sex. He was the "Sun of Gloin." But, if you can believe it, there's MORE. Who was the Middle-Earth Spirit of the Sun? It was the Sun-Maiden, a Maia of Vána, Arien: A woman. Strange, is it not, that ol' Gloin would give his "son" a feminine name? Well, it isn't strange, if that "son" was really a daughter.

Gimli, Sun of Gloin was a woman, the only woman in the Fellowship. This explains her masculine overcompensation, trying to just be 'one of the guys.' This also explains why she went on to become the Lady of Aglarond. Unlike her male Dwarven counterparts, she was fascinated by jewelery, and thus founded Middle-Earth's first Jewelery Store in the Glittering Caves. This ALSO explains her desire to have a golden hair from the head of Galadriel. She wanted to know what hair-care products the Elven Ringbearer was using that kept her hair so strait, shimmery, and minty fresh *cough*. Last, but certainly not least, this explains Gimli's relationship with Legolas. They weren't just friends, they were goin' steady. Why else would a Dwarf and an Elf spend 120 years together and sail into the sunset together?

So, in conclusion, I really need to start taking those pills again.

Encaitare · 09-22-2004, 08:24 PM

Hee hee, very nice! Why didn't I see it before??

The creepy thing is I brought this up with a few friends today (although not nearly as eloquently and with none of the etymology), and we decided that it was quite possible that Gimli was a woman...

I knew Legolas and Gimli were an item! I knew it!

Tuor of Gondolin · 09-22-2004, 08:42 PM

But what is Kransha implying about Gimli's attraction to Galadriel?

Anyway, I'm still waiting for a mud wrestling contest in the extended dvd
between Eowyn and XenaArwen (of the FOTR movie) over Aragorn.
Loser gets Faramir as a nice consolation prize.

Gil-Galad · 09-22-2004, 09:27 PM

Since Tolkien's major was Norse Mythology, probaly the norse, when they met for councils only Men attended, and seeing how at the Council of Elrond, it was all Men, less i'm mistaken, but Elrond probaly wanted a warrior to go on the quest as well... its mainly just the resources that are availible, elrond probaly had no knowledge or Eyown, rather protective of Arwen... so theres a lovely piece of my brain, enjoy!

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-23-2004, 01:17 AM

*Esty applauds Kransha's brilliant post enthusiastically*

Sir, should you ever hanker to write a cameo (or ongoing) role in this site's only parody RPG, please contact me ASAP!!

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-23-2004, 02:43 AM

Dontcha just hate it when you post something mildly humerous and someone follows it up with a comedy tour-de-force?!

Curse you and your formidable wit, Kransha!

09-22-2004, 05:43 PM	#2
Kransha Ubiquitous Urulóki Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The port of Mars, where Famine, Sword, and Fire, leash'd in like hounds, crouch for employment Posts: 747	Non-plussed, Herr Saucepan? I prefer "adoring" or perhaps, "idolizing," honestly. I, a humble member of the fouler sex, lament my ineptitude relating to the fairer. I have dear, dear relationships to many of the species, and yet I remain in the dark. Even now, that I am in the final stretch of hammering down a permanent relationship, I am still, as said, utterly inept. The gender is e'er mysterious, and I fear my own male, boorish, imasculate entourage may never fully understand their intricacies. But, that's all beside the point. I ramble. Mea culpa, as they say. If there had been women in the Fellowship, I believe many things would be different. But, I must discuss another plausibility (not possibility, plausibility). Is it not obvious, comrades? There was a woman in the Fellowship. Gimli, Son of Glóin. In the cinematic version of The Two Towers, he clearly states that Dwarven women are (read: may or may not) be bearded. Gimli is bearded, and talked of as a 'Son of Gloin' but where is the proof that the manly Dwarf is, in fact, a man? Let's be honest and totally Frank [Sinatra]. There is no proof. The title 'Son of Glóin' has been misinterpreted over the years. A series of lingual flukes, thought of as coincidence, have been disregarded, diverting the true meaning of the title often added to Gimli's name. Gimli is a name taken for granted, and it's meaning oft forgotten, but there are 3 distinct clues as to why Gimli was called the "Son of Glóin." -Gimli's name meaning is finally revealed in Tolkien Letter 297, dated 1967. Tolkien states that Gimli is a Mannish name, derived from a Nordic tongue. It means 'Fire.' -In Norse myths, the name Gimli is applied to a Hall in the land of Asgard where great warriors were laid after death. The clue here is that the Hall of Gimli is noted, in the Eddas (I believe) as being 'golden-roofed.' -In the old lingo of Adûnaic, Gimli can be traced to Gimilkhâd. In the name Gimilkhâd, Gimil means "Star." Thus Gimli can be translated as 'Star.' So, three clues: Fire, Golden, and Star. Isn't there something all of these words relate to? Some object that bears all three terms? Why, yes, there is. What is golden, fiery, and a Star? Isn't it obvious? THE SUN. So, the title "Son of Gloin," really referred to Gimli's name, not his sex. He was the "Sun of Gloin." But, if you can believe it, there's MORE. Who was the Middle-Earth Spirit of the Sun? It was the Sun-Maiden, a Maia of Vána, Arien: A woman. Strange, is it not, that ol' Gloin would give his "son" a feminine name? Well, it isn't strange, if that "son" was really a daughter. Gimli, Sun of Gloin was a woman, the only woman in the Fellowship. This explains her masculine overcompensation, trying to just be 'one of the guys.' This also explains why she went on to become the Lady of Aglarond. Unlike her male Dwarven counterparts, she was fascinated by jewelery, and thus founded Middle-Earth's first Jewelery Store in the Glittering Caves. This ALSO explains her desire to have a golden hair from the head of Galadriel. She wanted to know what hair-care products the Elven Ringbearer was using that kept her hair so strait, shimmery, and minty fresh cough. Last, but certainly not least, this explains Gimli's relationship with Legolas. They weren't just friends, they were goin' steady. Why else would a Dwarf and an Elf spend 120 years together and sail into the sunset together? So, in conclusion, I really need to start taking those pills again. __________________ "What mortal feels not awe/Nor trembles at our name, Hearing our fate-appointed power sublime/Fixed by the eternal law. For old our office, and our fame," -Aeschylus, Song of the Furies

09-22-2004, 08:42 PM	#4
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	But what is Kransha implying about Gimli's attraction to Galadriel? Anyway, I'm still waiting for a mud wrestling contest in the extended dvd between Eowyn and XenaArwen (of the FOTR movie) over Aragorn. Loser gets Faramir as a nice consolation prize. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

09-22-2004, 09:27 PM	#5
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Since Tolkien's major was Norse Mythology, probaly the norse, when they met for councils only Men attended, and seeing how at the Council of Elrond, it was all Men, less i'm mistaken, but Elrond probaly wanted a warrior to go on the quest as well... its mainly just the resources that are availible, elrond probaly had no knowledge or Eyown, rather protective of Arwen... so theres a lovely piece of my brain, enjoy! __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

09-23-2004, 01:17 AM	#6
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Standing ovation Esty applauds Kransha's brilliant post enthusiastically Sir, should you ever hanker to write a cameo (or ongoing) role in this site's only parody RPG, please contact me ASAP!! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-23-2004, 02:43 AM	#7
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Dontcha just hate it when you post something mildly humerous and someone follows it up with a comedy tour-de-force?! Curse you and your formidable wit, Kransha! __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

09-22-2004, 08:24 PM	#3
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Hee hee, very nice! Why didn't I see it before?? The creepy thing is I brought this up with a few friends today (although not nearly as eloquently and with none of the etymology), and we decided that it was quite possible that Gimli was a woman... I knew Legolas and Gimli were an item! I knew it!