Civil War if Boromir survived? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Boromir88 · 09-25-2004, 07:27 PM

Nimrodel, yes, that does make sense, I have a different view on the matter, but you bring up good points and your post does make sense, that's why I post here at the bd.com, to hear and weigh other's opinions.

Yes, Faramir was much wiser then Boromir, and was more aware of the ring, plus the fact being closer to Gandalf and being a "wizard's pupil" helps out a lot. But, I personally still think, Faramir's "human" self would have caused him too, to fold and try to take the ring, if he was stuck in Boromir's position, of having to travel with the ringbearer for months. Faramir never saw the ring like Boromir did, and he wasn't with the ringbearer as long as Boromir, ok so he's able to hold off his temptation for a few days, I think his human self would have stepped in and taken it just like Boromir, but that's my view.

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-26-2004, 05:00 AM

Faramir would have been more prepared to listen to the counsels of the wise than Boromir was. And, spiritually, he seems to have been stronger. Those qualities would no doubt have helped him resist the Ring's temptation for longer than his brother did. But I agree with Boromir88. He would have succumbed eventually, and probably sooner than any other member of the Fellowship.

Lily Bracegirdle · 09-26-2004, 07:02 AM

I think Faramir would definitely have held out longer than Boromir, but would have eventually tried to take the Ring. However, I don't think his motives would have been the same. Boromir wanted the Ring to save Gondor. Faramir knew that the Ring was too evil and corrupting to take home. I think given Faramir's soft heart and pity for Frodo he would have tried to take the Ring "to spare Frodo."

Faramir: "Give me the Ring! It's too much of a burden for you. I'll take it to Mount Doom for you!"

Of course, once it was in his hand, the Ring would have had him take it directly to Sauron.

I disagree with the idea that Faramir would have been tempted to take the Ring to Denethor. The whole "wanting Dad's love" thing was purely movie tripe. Yes, Faramir wanted Denethor's respect, but for the things he was already doing. He didn't do things in order to get that respect.

Book Faramir: "I did the right thing, why don't you respect me?"
Movie Faramir: "What dumb thing shall I do to earn a crumb of affection?"

-Lily

09-25-2004, 07:27 PM	#1
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	It makes sense. Nimrodel, yes, that does make sense, I have a different view on the matter, but you bring up good points and your post does make sense, that's why I post here at the bd.com, to hear and weigh other's opinions. Yes, Faramir was much wiser then Boromir, and was more aware of the ring, plus the fact being closer to Gandalf and being a "wizard's pupil" helps out a lot. But, I personally still think, Faramir's "human" self would have caused him too, to fold and try to take the ring, if he was stuck in Boromir's position, of having to travel with the ringbearer for months. Faramir never saw the ring like Boromir did, and he wasn't with the ringbearer as long as Boromir, ok so he's able to hold off his temptation for a few days, I think his human self would have stepped in and taken it just like Boromir, but that's my view. __________________ Fenris Penguin

09-26-2004, 05:00 AM	#2
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Faramir would have been more prepared to listen to the counsels of the wise than Boromir was. And, spiritually, he seems to have been stronger. Those qualities would no doubt have helped him resist the Ring's temptation for longer than his brother did. But I agree with Boromir88. He would have succumbed eventually, and probably sooner than any other member of the Fellowship. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

09-26-2004, 07:02 AM	#3
Lily Bracegirdle Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bree Posts: 210	Faramir taking the Ring I think Faramir would definitely have held out longer than Boromir, but would have eventually tried to take the Ring. However, I don't think his motives would have been the same. Boromir wanted the Ring to save Gondor. Faramir knew that the Ring was too evil and corrupting to take home. I think given Faramir's soft heart and pity for Frodo he would have tried to take the Ring "to spare Frodo." Faramir: "Give me the Ring! It's too much of a burden for you. I'll take it to Mount Doom for you!" Of course, once it was in his hand, the Ring would have had him take it directly to Sauron. I disagree with the idea that Faramir would have been tempted to take the Ring to Denethor. The whole "wanting Dad's love" thing was purely movie tripe. Yes, Faramir wanted Denethor's respect, but for the things he was already doing. He didn't do things in order to get that respect. Book Faramir: "I did the right thing, why don't you respect me?" Movie Faramir: "What dumb thing shall I do to earn a crumb of affection?" -Lily __________________ "But nay: the praise of the praiseworthy is above all rewards." - Faramir