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HerenIstarion · 09-28-2004, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Sorry .... lost track of the rules ..was thinking quote from book rather than quote of person

No worries

. Make sure you make it clear next time, though - that is, mark it with 'author's narrative' flag or something

Well, well, well. It seems we haven't had obscure languages for a while. Let it be Arabic:

Quote:

A’mallu an la eestaruhhu abadan ar-reehee t-tufahee

Not to make it impossible right from the start, here's the clue:

At-tufah=apple

PS And I hope there are no Arabs proper around to mock out my pathetic attempts

Guinevere · 10-07-2004, 08:42 AM

Hm, I can only think of two instances where apples are mentioned, and all three sentences somehow don't fit this arabic quote. In two of them, the apples aren't at the end , and the third sentence is too short.

HerenIstarion · 10-07-2004, 08:48 AM

The original the quote is translated from has the apples not exactly in the end, but one word prior. I don't know the proper grammatical term in English, but in Arabic, if something belongs/proceeds to/from something else, the 'owner/originator' has to be put in the end of the construction, if you follow my meaning

Clumsy paragon: in English, 'Donny's book' and 'book of Donny' are equally correct forms, in Arabic only 'book of Donny' may be used

Another hint: Quoth the Dwarven (Nevermore)

Mithalwen · 10-07-2004, 11:45 AM

And yet they are not quite interchangeable ... and now I know exactly what it is - it is the dwarf who grumbled about his barrel smelling of apples and he was hungry but now out he could eat anything for hours on end - but not an apple ... and I don't have the Hobbit with me and I can't remember the dwarf's name - but it wan't Quoth!

So are you an Edgar Allen Poe fan or is that just from TP?

HerenIstarion · 10-08-2004, 12:23 AM

'Mithalwen, say I, 'My Lady, my applauses for your lore;
For the fact is it was Fili and so grumbling he came nagging,
With his empty belly sagging, soaked on the barrel floor,
That he scarce was sure he heard him- Bilbo opening freedom's door!'

Exact quote is the following:

Quote:

I hope I never smell the smell of apples again

Nevermore (in this case, never + again) = abadan

Now you serve, and nothing more!

Mithalwen · 10-08-2004, 09:37 AM

Why thank you kind sir ... I rather hoped someone might produce the exact quote and spare me the unequal struggle a little longer.... at least I can spare myself teh past historic if I quote speech ... but the perfect tense has all those horrid agreeements ... Alors ...... it will alas be French again .... unless I find a short and simple quote......

Quoth the raven was a bit of a joke even before Mr Pratchett ..... someone famous, after a especially disagreable stay wrote in the Visitor's book of some hosue or hotel "Quoth the Raven..."

HerenIstarion · 10-08-2004, 01:50 PM

Um, seems you forgot to give us a quote, my lady

Mithalwen · 10-09-2004, 11:35 AM

Didn't forget.... still puzzling over verb tables and lexicons.. ...tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow..

10-07-2004, 08:42 AM	#2
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	Hm, I can only think of two instances where apples are mentioned, and all three sentences somehow don't fit this arabic quote. In two of them, the apples aren't at the end , and the third sentence is too short. __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

10-07-2004, 08:48 AM	#3
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	The original the quote is translated from has the apples not exactly in the end, but one word prior. I don't know the proper grammatical term in English, but in Arabic, if something belongs/proceeds to/from something else, the 'owner/originator' has to be put in the end of the construction, if you follow my meaning Clumsy paragon: in English, 'Donny's book' and 'book of Donny' are equally correct forms, in Arabic only 'book of Donny' may be used Another hint: Quoth the Dwarven (Nevermore) __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

10-07-2004, 11:45 AM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	while I pondered weak and weary, And yet they are not quite interchangeable ... and now I know exactly what it is - it is the dwarf who grumbled about his barrel smelling of apples and he was hungry but now out he could eat anything for hours on end - but not an apple ... and I don't have the Hobbit with me and I can't remember the dwarf's name - but it wan't Quoth! So are you an Edgar Allen Poe fan or is that just from TP? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

10-08-2004, 09:37 AM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Why thank you kind sir ... I rather hoped someone might produce the exact quote and spare me the unequal struggle a little longer.... at least I can spare myself teh past historic if I quote speech ... but the perfect tense has all those horrid agreeements ... Alors ...... it will alas be French again .... unless I find a short and simple quote...... Quoth the raven was a bit of a joke even before Mr Pratchett ..... someone famous, after a especially disagreable stay wrote in the Visitor's book of some hosue or hotel "Quoth the Raven..." __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 10-08-2004 at 09:38 AM. Reason: A misplaced apostrophe - oh the shame, the shame..

10-08-2004, 01:50 PM	#7
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Blessing be upon this hosue... Um, seems you forgot to give us a quote, my lady __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

10-09-2004, 11:35 AM	#8
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	"I am a lady" Emily Howard, Little Britain.. Didn't forget.... still puzzling over verb tables and lexicons.. ...tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow.. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace