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**The Saucepan Man** · 10-23-2004, 09:56 AM

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I was hoping Gandalf would put up more of a fight instead of losing helplessly. I still think that Gandalf can beat the Witch King, but I guess PJ didn't wanna do that.

Well, it makes much more sense of the Witch-King's line to Gothmog that he will crush the Wizard. And it enhances the power of the Witch-King as an opponent, thus making Eowyn's defeat of him (with Merry's help) even more impressive. I like it.

Lalwendë · 10-23-2004, 01:11 PM

Um, has anyone else dowloaded this with a dial-up connection? 54 minutes, it said! Being a Luddite I don't have Broadband yet, but should it take that long?

Oddwen · 10-23-2004, 03:23 PM

It took me 56 minutes...gosh, I envy your connection speed Lalwendë...wow...

But it was worth it.

Nimrodel_9 · 10-23-2004, 03:32 PM

Thank you so much Sapphire_Flame! I was just going to ask if any one knew of an RotK EE preview beside the one on lordoftherings.net. My friend wanted to see it, but her computer was having problems. Does anyone know of any others? I need something to entertain me until it comes out.

Oddwen · 10-23-2004, 06:17 PM

Well, there's always this bootlegged comiccon footage that has a few new things.
While the blooper reel's quality is extremely poor, it's quite amusing. Especially Sam's "closeup".

gorthaur_cruel · 10-23-2004, 06:29 PM

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Well, it makes much more sense of the Witch-King's line to Gothmog that he will crush the Wizard. And it enhances the power of the Witch-King as an opponent, thus making Eowyn's defeat of him (with Merry's help) even more impressive. I like it.

True, but it makes Gandalf into....nothing.

In the movie, he's not that wise, nor that powerful. All his strategies and cleverness from the book are made so that they're suggested by someone else, and Gandalf's initially against it. Here are some that I can think of off my head:

1. He didn't want Theoden to go to Helm's Deep; that was Theoden's idea.
2. He didn't want to attack the Morannon; that was Aragorn's.
3. He couldn't open solve the Moria riddle; that was Frodo's idea.
4. He was against going to Moria; that was Frodo's decision and Gimli's idea.
5. He has no part to play in the Ent's help in the battle of Helm's Deep. In fact, the ents(or Huorns, I should say) help only in the EE, and Gandalf had no knowledge of it.

I'm sure there are more, I just can't think of it. Many of Gandalf's wisdom is hidden in the movie, to make him seem more "human". All well and good, but I think they've overdone it...he just seems like a wise-wannabe in the movie. Now they take out his power as well. They emphasize it a lot in TTT, but with the Orc that almost kills him and now this, he's obviously no match for a bunch of Sauron's forces. In the book, of course, he can't be hurt by any mortal weapons and all evidences suggest he's greater than the Witch King. He's stupid and weak in the movie, and I'm quite against that...

Imladris · 10-23-2004, 06:56 PM

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He's stupid and weak in the movie,

Actually, no they didn't. Gandalf didn't want to go to Moria in the books either, but he suggested it (yes, the movie changed this a bit but the point is that he didn't want to go).

I don't remember the plans for Helms Deep.

Gandalf couldn't solve the Moria riddle in the book and it was Merry who triggered the memory.

I don't recall Gandalf helping the ents...however it has been ages since I have read TTT

In the Movies:

Gandalf brought back Eomer
He drove the Nazgul away from Faramir
He fought the Balrog enabling the comapny to attack.

The preview is taken out of context. To judge Gandalf's actions we must see the entire scene. It's silly to judge a half formed scene that leaves you on a cliff hanger.

10-23-2004, 01:11 PM	#2
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	Um, has anyone else dowloaded this with a dial-up connection? 54 minutes, it said! Being a Luddite I don't have Broadband yet, but should it take that long? __________________ Gordon's alive!

10-23-2004, 03:23 PM	#3
Oddwen Drummer in the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Next Sunday A.D. Posts: 2,145	It took me 56 minutes...gosh, I envy your connection speed Lalwendë...wow... But it was worth it. __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before I listen for returning feet and voices at the door

10-23-2004, 03:32 PM	#4
Nimrodel_9 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 734	Thank you so much Sapphire_Flame! I was just going to ask if any one knew of an RotK EE preview beside the one on lordoftherings.net. My friend wanted to see it, but her computer was having problems. Does anyone know of any others? I need something to entertain me until it comes out. __________________ .:A friend is someone who reaches for your hand and touches your heart:.

10-23-2004, 06:17 PM	#5
Oddwen Drummer in the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Next Sunday A.D. Posts: 2,145	Well, there's always this bootlegged comiccon footage that has a few new things. While the blooper reel's quality is extremely poor, it's quite amusing. Especially Sam's "closeup". __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before I listen for returning feet and voices at the door