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**The Saucepan Man** · 10-29-2004, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rimbaud

Well, actually...no. I rather like the fantasy of imagining the stories to be true. That daydream would not be sullied by being ratified.

I agree wholeheartedly with your first sentence, but not your second. The fantasy of imagining it to be true would, for me, be ruined by the certainty of it being so. I have a particular relationship with the works of Tolkien, based upon his fiction that it was true combined with his adoption of mythological (and archetypal) imagery. If it turned out that particular elements of what he wrote were in fact true, then that relationship would be fundamentally altered, and I don't think that it would be for the better. I prefer to think that it might be true.

Fordim, I agree with much of what you say. Save, however, that Tolkien asks us to believe that Elves and Men (and Hobbits and Dwarves) awoke in the form in which we encounter them in his works. They did not evolve from "lower" forms of life. I can accept that within the context of his Legendarium, but it is fundamentally at odds with Darwin's "theory".

HerenIstarion · 10-30-2004, 02:48 AM

Humble request met with understanding. Thanks, Fordim

Cheers

Noxomanus · 10-30-2004, 03:09 AM

I thought we were to let it rest?

Fordim Hedgethistle · 10-30-2004, 05:00 AM

HI, you are not silly -- nor are you a creationist, if you believe that evolution has and is happening. Creationism holds that all life forms sprang into being in their current form 8 000 years ago.

I agree whole-heartedly that Darwinism deals with the how, and not the why. So did Darwin.

We really should leave it at that, however!

EDIT: H-I and Mark 12_30 (below) have raised the very good point of my judgemental language in the post in question. I have edited it slightly as a result. They are right: this is not a forum in which we should denigrate the views of others.

mark12_30 · 10-30-2004, 05:39 AM

Edit: Thanks, Fordie.

THE Ka · 10-30-2004, 07:26 AM

Oh, i just flip head over heels for topics like this!!!! I knew this would be found!

You guys don't know how happy i am now.

Anyway, i find it rather obvious that this would happen, since if you follow some of the finds pretaining to our ancestrial remains these figures keep getting smaller. It's just something i've noticed. Another thing is, i was talking to someone at a museum once (It was the Royal BC museum in Victoria, in the "First Peoples" Section... it seemed out of place.) and we spent somewhere around a hour discussing the fact that we might have even smaller ancestors... Hmm? Maybe we all are right about this.

Since the article made a reference to a tropical type climate, i thought i might contribute some of this "mythology"...

this is something from http://www.occultopedia.com/m/menehune.htm

Child of the 7th Age · 10-30-2004, 10:40 AM

Ka -

Many thanks for that reference to the three-foot Menhune in Hawaii. I am more familiar with the European legends so it's helpful to learn about such references in terms of other cultures.

Interesting stuff!

~Child

10-30-2004, 02:48 AM	#2
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Humble request met with understanding. Thanks, Fordim Cheers __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 11-01-2004 at 01:09 AM. Reason: No more sense to it

10-30-2004, 03:09 AM	#3
Noxomanus Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 233	I thought we were to let it rest? __________________ Nothing is evil in the beginning,even Sauron wasn't

10-30-2004, 05:00 AM	#4
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	A clarification HI, you are not silly -- nor are you a creationist, if you believe that evolution has and is happening. Creationism holds that all life forms sprang into being in their current form 8 000 years ago. I agree whole-heartedly that Darwinism deals with the how, and not the why. So did Darwin. We really should leave it at that, however! EDIT: H-I and Mark 12_30 (below) have raised the very good point of my judgemental language in the post in question. I have edited it slightly as a result. They are right: this is not a forum in which we should denigrate the views of others. __________________ Scribbling scrabbling. Last edited by Fordim Hedgethistle; 10-30-2004 at 06:05 AM.

10-30-2004, 05:39 AM	#5
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Edit: Thanks, Fordie. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve. Last edited by mark12_30; 10-30-2004 at 06:07 AM.

10-30-2004, 07:26 AM	#6
THE Ka Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: As with the flygja Posts: 1,403	Just some say on archaeology and the "Collective Memory" Oh, i just flip head over heels for topics like this!!!! I knew this would be found! You guys don't know how happy i am now. Anyway, i find it rather obvious that this would happen, since if you follow some of the finds pretaining to our ancestrial remains these figures keep getting smaller. It's just something i've noticed. Another thing is, i was talking to someone at a museum once (It was the Royal BC museum in Victoria, in the "First Peoples" Section... it seemed out of place.) and we spent somewhere around a hour discussing the fact that we might have even smaller ancestors... Hmm? Maybe we all are right about this. Since the article made a reference to a tropical type climate, i thought i might contribute some of this "mythology"... this is something from http://www.occultopedia.com/m/menehune.htm __________________ Vinur, vinur skilur tú meg? Veitst tú ongan loyniveg? Hevur tú reikað líka sum eg, í endaleysu tokuni?

10-30-2004, 10:40 AM	#7
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Ka - Many thanks for that reference to the three-foot Menhune in Hawaii. I am more familiar with the European legends so it's helpful to learn about such references in terms of other cultures. Interesting stuff! ~Child __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.